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Vancouver riot review: Your thoughts?

September 1st, 2011 · 48 Comments

The disappointment in the room of reporters who faced John Furlong and Doug Keefe was almost palpable this afternoon when the report turned out to contain no searing indictments of anyone’s favourite target.

The big problems, they kept saying over and over, were 1. too much uncontrolled alcohol, which shutting downtown liquor stores did nothing to stem 2. the number of people who poured into downtown, propelled by the region’s excellent and efficient transit system and 3. police being overwhelmend by the unexpected levels of 1 and 2.

In spite of lots of questions from various people, the two stayed on track with a “let’s all learn from this” message, refusing to go after the city, the police, Rogers Arena and its beer-serving policies, TransLink, the bars, or anything else that reporters pressed them on. The only group not to get a pass were the “thugs and villains” who came down intending to make trouble.

There’s lots of reporting and analysis out there already in the various MSM reports, blogs and tweets, so I’ll simply post the report itself, along with statements by the police chief and mayor and await your comments.

The report


The chief:

Chief Constable Responds to Riot Review
Statement
Good afternoon and thank you all for coming.
I have reviewed the review and I would like to say how impressed I am with the efforts of the co chairs John Furlong and Douglas Keefe.
It is very impressive that they have been able to produce such a complete and insightful examination of what happened on the night of June 15th.
On behalf of all the men and women of the Vancouver Police Department and our sister agencies I also want to thank them for the moving dedication of the report “to those people who took back the streets.”
I am also going to include in that group, because I am sure the authors intended it so, the number of good people who resisted the rioters, came to the aid of the injured and helped to protect victims and property.
I think it is also important to remember the victims at this point who are still seeking justice and answers to those questions. I hope that they will see this review as another step closer in achieving that ultimate resolution.
The question we have all asked, including myself, is there anything we could have done differently to ensure that there would not have been a riot? And secondly, is there anything we could have done differently to stop it immediately before it could get started?
Sadly it would seem that there is no magic solution to protect ourselves from those intent on creating this type of harm.
Many of you have expressed an almost obsessive interest in the number of police we had on the street that night. I have always told you that we don’t discuss the numbers for security reasons. Why would anyone want to give riot instigators more aid to commit their crimes?
The review of course reveals the number and the fact that it was doubled in less than two hours but it confirms that there is no plausible number of police that could have prevented what happened.
We know in hindsight that some mistakes were made but I’m pleased to see the reviewers concluded that none of the mistakes would have made a substantial difference that night.
We have completed our own review addressing many of the same issues from this document and will be sharing that with you and the Police Board on Tuesday.
We will be looking at all the recommendations that have been made with a view to implementation.

The mayor

Statement from Mayor Robertson on the Independent Review of the June 15 Riot

I want to start by thanking Mr Furlong and Mr Keefe for what is a detailed and comprehensive report on the June 15th riot.

They put an enormous amount of work into it, and I want to thank the two of them, their research teams and expert advisers, all of the participants and members of the public who contributed to make this report possible.

What happened that night had a terrible impact on all of us, and particularly our downtown businesses and the employees who were in those businesses when the riot took place.

I went to see the destruction first-hand that night and was appalled. In the ensuing weeks I spoke with businesses and people impacted and it was heartbreaking to hear their stories.

As well, I’ve met many of the heroes who helped protect people and property that night, and came downtown to clean and reclaim our streets in the days that followed, and they have only strengthened my faith and pride in Vancouver.

I want to thank the men and women of the VPD, our fire department, paramedics, and hospital workers, whose hard work and dedication prevented things from being much worse.

No one wants to see a scene like that again, and that’s why it’s so critical that we move quickly to accept and implement this report. This report provides a positive, solutions-oriented way forward.

It also acknowledges and builds on the tremendous outpouring of positive support from the public. This report captures the spirit of people in Vancouver who want to celebrate safely and responsibly and have great pride in our City.

That is why there will be a special open meeting of council next Tuesday, September 6th, where we will go through this report to discuss its findings and conclusions. During this meeting we will also give clear direction to staff to use Mr Furlong and Mr Keefe’s report to guide our planning for the Grey Cup and other major events in the future.

The recommendations from Mr Furlong and Mr Keefe are tangible, we can move quickly on them, and I am committed as Mayor to seeing all the recommendations they made for the City put into action.

It is an exhaustive report, and it will take us all some time to digest it in its entirety. However, it is one that provides a pragmatic, thoughtful framework for the city and region to hold major public gatherings safely and effectively.

Once again I want to thank Mr Furlong and Mr Keefe for their time and energy in making this report possible, and I look forward to acting on it.

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  • Embarrassing

    Um yeah. So when are charges coming guys? My facebook friends are laughing at me for living in Vancouver.

    If it’s a budget issue, I heard that Premier Clark was “outraged”. Maybe hit her up for a little extra dough to appease my shame.

  • Paul T.

    Everyone was looking for a smoking gun in the report. But that wasn’t what Furlong and Keefe were supposed to do. They could not lay blame. (Even though they did blame the rioters themselves. That fact no one disputes.)

    If you read each recommendation it comes down to planning or the lack thereof.

    The Olympics went off with hardly a problem because the CEO of VanOC made sure systems were in place to handle crowds and ensure a safe event for everyone. The CEO of Vancouver (aka Gregor Robertson) clearly was not successful at doing that same job. In fact there was a level of complacency in the mayor’s office that is almost criminal.

    Mayor Robertson needs to resign immediately. He’s not capable of leading a world-class city like Vancouver.

  • Tiktaalik

    Supposing that the Canucks do well next season and we find ourselves in a similar situation, it’ll be interesting to see if our leaders opt go with the easiest band aid solutions. If the solution they run with ends up being to simply cut off alcohol sales at 10am instead of 4pm we’re going to find ourselves in a lot of trouble again.

    In addition to more carefully managing the amount and types of alcohol available and how people enter the city, we need to have a community driven effort to encourage people to be mindful of their neighbours, be civilized and be good sports. I hope the Canucks organization recognizes that they’re the ones best positioned to lead this initiative.

  • spartikus

    The Olympics went off with hardly a problem because the CEO of VanOC made sure systems were in place to handle crowds and ensure a safe event for everyone. The CEO of Vancouver (aka Gregor Robertson) clearly was not successful at doing that same job. In fact there was a level of complacency in the mayor’s office that is almost criminal.

    There seems to me a significant difference.

    An Olympic Games is an event years in the planning. There are dates/schedules known well in advance. It has an almost unlimited budget – $1billion on security alone. The organisers had CSIS, the Army, the RCMP, the VPD and other officers from around the country to call on.

    Meanshile you can’t even count on your NHL team making the playoffs, let alone getting to Finals.

  • spartikus

    Supposing that the Canucks do well next season and we find ourselves in a similar situation, it’ll be interesting to see if our leaders opt go with the easiest band aid solutions.

    I suspect the opposite – they’ll overreact and we’ll be No Fun City again.

  • lionsgate

    I worry that the results of this report, which provides little information beyond what we were already aware, will simply move us towards fewer celebrations and festivals. Vancouver has never really done a good job, Olympics as an anomaly, of throwing events (parties) because we generally have the wrong type of people organizing them. FEST is largely structured to facilitate film crews to use public facilities and space for filming. The report suggests a more robust and structured department to organize large events, but I think it was far too weak in placing blame on the individuals responsible for coordinating the plan for this years Stanley Cup Run. Ultimately that responsibility is with the Mayor, both for direction of involved city departments and as chair of the police board. It is his job to know the details and to ensure that the right planning has been put in place. I find it really disappointing that he describes that dual responsibility as “awkward.”

  • Dave

    I think the Report seems like a very balanced and good analysis of what happened – I’m particularly interested in the recommendations related to more/better regional cooperation, coordination and resourcing such events, as well as the practical lessons related to alcohol consumption, and monitoring transit use and movement of crowds. There are several good recommendations.

    @ Paul T. – Comparing preparations for the Olympics and how planning for the Stanley Cup were handled is ‘apples’ and ‘oranges’ to an absurd degree.

    Let’s set aside the fact that Mr. Furlong – who did a fine job, then and now – wasn’t himself anywhere close to being personally responsible for the detailed security planning for the 2010 Games, consider some basic key facts:

    The Olympics had a $1 Billion security budget, thousands of officers and security personnel, and officials (Federal, Provincial & local) had many years to plan, equip, fund and prepare for the event.

    For the Stanley Cup event the security planning (which Mayor Robertson too was – rightly – not personally responsible for) had to be done in a matter of days, with only existing VPD resources, & no additional resources or money from the Feds, Province, or even neighbouring municipalities – where most of the rioters came from.

    There is simply no meaningful comparison between planning & resourcing the two different events; unless of course your primary agenda is to simply score partisan points against the Mayor I suppose, which reading your last few lines seems to be your principal purpose.

    I guess for many NPA partisans, it must be somewhat disappointing to see the Report showed that there was no undue interference or meddling by the Mayor. But apparently it’s still his fault. Now the new NPA line has shifted 180 degrees from “it’s the Mayor’s fault because he was meddling and micromanaging the whole thing” to “it’s the Mayor’s fault because he was too complacent and not meddling and micromanaging the whole thing”.

    How sad. It would be more useful to actually focus on the real, practical and useful recommendations of the Report rather than engaging in the predictably tired, partisan calls of “the Mayor must resign”.

  • rowbat

    When you see overhead shots of the numbers of people on West Georgia, it’s doubtful that any number of police could have stopped incidents from starting or spreading in the hour or two after the game ended. As unexciting as it seems, the best and easiest lesson for the public may be that ‘standing around and watching’ others act violently turns an already difficult challenge for the police into a virtually impossible one.

    It might be helpful if Lower Mainland School Boards put together a special lesson plan, teaching kids about the dynamics of ‘riots’, and getting them to think about how they might react. There may even be a number of embarrassed participants who would be willing to share their regrets about getting caught up in the emotion of a crowd. Some public info spots in the media might also be crafted to remind the general public of crowd issues, the next time around.

    It would be unfortunate to let such a good ‘teaching moment’ for our city go to waste.

  • Everyman

    @ Spartikus 5
    Given that the report says no “plausible” amount of officers could have dealt with the crowd, I have no problem with going back to the order we saw with the fatuous “no fun city” label.

    I am not interested in paying for an implausible amount of officers to control such a crowd of over 100,000.

    @ Dave 7
    I’m not sure the mayor (or the report) should be boasting that he had no hand in the policing or financial planning to secure the event. Is he not the city’s top official? Short term such excuses may have saved his electoral hide, long term it raises some questions about his engagement and competence.

  • brilliant

    Mayor Moonbeam ducks responsibility for his actions yet again. More political lives than the luckiest feline.

  • Morry

    forget it! It’s over. There is blame enough to go around from the Mayor’s office down to the rioters.

    Move a long folks, there’s nothing to see.,

  • Everyman

    @Morry 11
    Forget it? Just like the city apparently forgot the lessons of the ’94 riot? So we can have a replay of the same thing next time the Canucks make it to the finals? So maybe next time somebody dies?

    No thanks, we’re better off remembering.

  • Glissando Remmy

    The Thought Of The Night

    “Robertson’s Riot – from Hollyhockian ‘rubber-son-right'(def): street party for Vision Vancouver members dressed in Canucks jerseys, mostly of them under bad influence, and shouting slogans like ‘Please, not the trees!’…”

    That the author of Patriot Farts is incapable of assigning blame for the Riots comes to no surprise.
    The same way no Olympic official was found to be at fault for the Georgian Luger that died in a horrific crash prior to the beginning of the winter 2010 Olympic Games in Whistler… same here, nothing to do with the fast track, badly constructed course, a deadly rush to the finish… massive call for celebrations, despite the underfunded and outnumbered police force, and with relaxed ‘bring your own XXX six pack’ policies… all in the name of some winter sport.

    Who knew?
    Scavenger birds don’t fight each other!

    We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

  • IanS

    I managed to read the executive summary and skim the report. The impression I get is that the efforts to plan and police the event were reasonably done, but that there was no way that crowd could reasonably have been controlled; no plausible amount of police presence could have done it.

    If that’s correct, I’d certainly oppose those sorts of events in the City going forward. If they cannot reasonably or plausibly be controlled, they should not occur.

    Does that mean Vancouver is a “no fun” city? I don’t think so. There are lots of events which go off just fine downtown and there is no reason why those should not continue. And, personally, I didn’t find the riot to be a lot of “fun”.

  • Norman

    As long as we have a crew in city hall that thinks if we all just smile, everything will be all right, we will never be able to plan for the real world. Our kids are not brought up to deal responsibly with alcohol; they get messages from the media and advertising that it’s OK to act like Animal House. The message seems to be “as long as you are having fun, to hell with everyone else”. The reason the Olympics went off so well is that 2,000 police were present, not because everyone was just out filled with good will. We apparently are not a civil society unless there is a threat of punishment. The blame here is on those of us who won’t deal with reality, starting with our so-called leaders.

  • http://members.shaw.ca/aguaflor/BCarchitecturesince1952.pdf Roger Kemble

    On riffing thru his web page I come across this little nugget, “Known for his masterful storytelling and innovative leadership style”.

    Before the Olympics I’d never heard of John Furlong but obviously he is well marinated in the national pecking order of yes men. I know nothing of Doug Keefe. I obviously have not penetrated the iron-clad circles of inter-provincial power!

    All I know of the pair is, they came up with the right answer! . . . masterful story telling indeed! I’ll bet that gave the two of them sleepless nights to conjure up that jig!

    Label me skeptical when it comes to laying blame.

    Glissie @ #13 Aptly put as usual: “ Scavenger birds don’t fight each other!”: encapsulating the essence of this white wash succinctly!

    But do the details matter? We know the pair of them, Furlong/Keefe, has been chosen to come up with pre-ordained results: i.e. don’t blame the leadership, don’t blame the system. But in fact the prevailing corporate ethos, the leadership, the system, is what produced these hooligans. Putting them in jail will just teach them more tricks . . . (I read Conrad black actually got along well with his mafia cell mates).

    Vancouver has dropped to number three: The Malahat! Oh really! What nonsense! Try decades of lying, self-serving deception, preening egos, empty promises . . .

    MSM says the offenders come from “well-to-do” families. At least one car-torcher has been labeled thus. God knows given the ticket prices you have to be “well-to-do” just to get in the door of one of these ugly gladiatorial displays of ignorance and controlled violence. The stratospheric salaries of these one-dimensional, belligerent player-brutes, alone, describe grotesque: and we encourage our youth to look up to such holograms of horror?

    Blame! Huh!

    Thu players are role models for the kids who run rampant through the streets, drinking themselves stupid as though there is no tomorrow: which for them there isn’t.

  • spartikus

    If that’s correct, I’d certainly oppose those sorts of events in the City going forward. If they cannot reasonably or plausibly be controlled, they should not occur.

    Barring sealing downtown off, I’m not sure how you can prevent people gathering and celebrating [or rioting as the case may be]. Even then, they’d just gather en masse somewhere else.

    These things tend to be, er, organic. You probably have to plan for it regardless.

    My European friends have said these things are spread over several venues there (after decades of learning the hard way). Yes, this was sort of happening here with sites in Surrey, but the rioting demographic – young people – want to go where the action is. Regarding alternate sites, I found this passage on pg. 72 personally surprising:

    The memo states that in 2007, alternate gathering sites had emerged in Surrey and Abbottsford, resulting in smaller crowds in Vancouver. This recurred in the 2009 and 2010 playoffs. In our view, the Surrey and Abbottsford sites, though welcome developments from VPD’s perspective, likely had two pernicious effects – an obvious one with hindsight– an assumption that fewer people would be coming downtown, and the other, less obvious to VPD, that police
    in Surrey and Abbottsford would feel less able and willing to support Vancouver as long as there was the possibility of similar risk to their home communities.

    That really suggests regional planning and coordination was lacking.

    Anyway, I don’t know what to do. It seems a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.

  • IanS

    @Spartikus #17,

    “Barring sealing downtown off, I’m not sure how you can prevent people gathering and celebrating… ”

    That’s as true as it is trite.

    I do seem to recall the creation of live event sites, with big TVs, and an express invitation to gather downtown at the time though.

  • spartikus

    That’s as true as it is trite.

    Funny, I was responding to someone who said

    I’d certainly oppose those sorts of events in the City going forward. If they cannot reasonably or plausibly be controlled, they should not occur.

    Oh well.

    Have a nice day, Ian.

  • Dan Cooper

    “Barring sealing downtown off, I’m not sure how you can prevent people gathering and celebrating [or rioting as the case may be]. ”

    Ah, but this was not a question of most attendees just spontaneously showing up; rather, they had been specifically invited and encouraged to come on down to a particular, designated location. Yet, the location they were invited to was not sufficiently prepared from a physical standpoint to protect their security and that of others in the area, and the preparations that had been made were not maintained. At least three things can be done differently in future preparations, setting aside questions of what to do if things go wrong anyway: 1) Don’t invite more people than you can handle; 2) Prepare sufficiently for the number of people you have invited; 3) Follow through with the preparations you have made. Oh, and I might add, 4) Take into account any factors like Several Preceding Months of Increasing Societal Hysteria About the Event in Question.

  • brilliant

    The more I read of the report the more of a whitewash it becomes. How can there be no discussion of the wisdom of planning an event like it on the fly? Frances, can you pass on to Mickleburg that his column was a joke?

  • Paul T.

    Spartikus @4… Of course there’s a difference. One event was largely attended by visitors to our region. This one was clearly just locals (Lower Mainlanders) for the most part.

    That’s pretty much where the differences end though. Sure we don’t know if the Canucks will make the playoffs, let alone the finals. But there’s NOTHING that says we shouldn’t plan for it.

    If we were to follow your logic, we shouldn’t plan for earthquakes, fires, etc. etc. ‘cuz we don’t know when or if they’ll happen. Fact is, we have three major sports teams in the city. It stands to reason ONE of them might do well on occasion. In such an event the city needs to have a plan. The report clearly states there was no real plan only an “Ad Hoc” one.

    It’s just not good enough for the mayor, who’s the chief of the police board to sit back, throw his hands up and start blaming everyone under the sun for a problem he could have prevented by making sure plans were in place.

    My question for the mayor is, if he didn’t read the ’94 riot report, has he read this one yet? If not, will he?

  • Dave

    Lots of interesting comments and reactions, ranging from thoughtful & reasonable to… well, strange and incoherent. :-)

    @ Everyman (9) – I have to disagree. It’s not about “boasting” about this (or any other) Mayor’s non-involvement. In a free, civil society where policing and the administration of justice should be independant and non-partisan, it is actually preferable that policing decisions and actions happen free of the interference of politicians. If politicians (of any stripe) start routinely intervening in the operational decisions and actions of police, it becomes a very slippery slope to a corrupt system of highly politicized and partisanly directed policing. There are plenty of examples of such politicized policing elsewhere in the world, and as a rule it leads to much worse, more corrupt policing.

    That said, however, the police equally need to be held accountable for their actions by democratic, idependant, civilian institutions (something I fullly support, and something that we haven’t quite entirely got here yet – but that’s a whole new thread!).

    @ Ian S (19) & spartikus (18). It’s unreasonable to expect that large public gatherings can (or should) just be ‘banned’. Last time I checked we didn’t live in Syria or North Korea? At least if something is planned and organized, you have a much better chance of more safely directing and controlling such gatherings – which will occur organically anyway, as was pointed out – rather than just pretending like no one will gather, and then being forced to react on the fly when they do.

    And besides, why should the hundreds of thousands of citizens who want to gather lawfully in public for any particular event/occasion be forced off their own streets by a handful of potential hooligans – that seems like cowardly capitulation to a violent minority. Focus on the law breaking minority, not the lawful majority. I think if you read the Report there are some obvious and practical lessons and ideas on how we can still have large public gatherings for the non-criminal majority more safely and securely in the future… Better alcohol control, better regional coordinaton & resources, better advance planning & preparations, better monitoring of ‘on the ground’ situation, etc..

    And at the end of the day, life can be messy and no one, and no plan can 100% “guarantee” nothing will ever, ever happen. It’s just a fact of life.

  • IanS

    @Spartikus #19,

    Were you really confused as to what I meant by “these sorts of events” when I expressed the opinion that they should not occur? Honestly?

  • spartikus

    Don’t invite more people than you can handle

    You can’t control that.

    Yes, people were encouraged to come down and preparations were clearly not up to the numbers that did come.

    But people would have come anyway. In 1994 70k turned up spontaneously. And back then Game 7 was out of town, the arena was in East Van, and there wasn’t the so-called “Granville Entertainment District.”

    This isn’t an excuse, this is merely pointing out you’re kind of riding the whirlwind with these things.

    Even if you required tickets I’m pretty sure people would have turned up anyway and milled around the gates.

    Or maybe not. I don’t know.

  • IanS

    @Dave #23,

    I’m not suggesting that large events should be “banned”; merely that they not be created if they cannot reasonably be controlled.

    In this case, the event didn’t happen organically; it was created. Yes, of course people would have gathered in the absence of the big screen TV’s etc, but I don’t think anyone is asserting that the event which gave rise to the riot arose organically.

    And, yes, you are correct that we are not living in Syria or North Korea (nice catch).

  • http://www.vcvtv.ca Gerry McGuire

    A picture is worth a thousand words, and video is thirty pictures a second.

  • Paul T.

    Spartikus @25:

    “Even if you required tickets I’m pretty sure people would have turned up anyway and milled around the gates.

    Or maybe not. I don’t know.”

    Wow, with that kind of insight you could be mayor!

  • Julia

    Community celebrations are great – if they are managed properly. Big Bad Surrey did it so what’s our problem?

    Wrong venue (hard sides),wrong message (everyone come on down and wait for the game to start with nothing to do afterwards… hello?) 1 location only (see above), no control of alcohol going in to the area.

    Anyone else proposing such an event in this city would have never been given a permit by FEST.

    Have the party but spread it out, change the focus, manage the demographics and you will have a fabulous time.

    All of these items are management decisions. The report may not assign blame, but anyone that plans similar events knows exactly who is responsible.

  • spartikus

    Wow, with that kind of insight you could be mayor!

    Well, everyone should be thankful I’m not running. As am I.

    The person who should be Mayor is the person who did have the insight to see this coming, and who had the courage to stand up and warn us all of impending doom…going against the grain in the fevered atmosphere of We Are All Canucks.

    And that person was….

    [crickets]

  • Paul T.

    “The person who should be Mayor is the person who did have the insight to see this coming…”

    There was a report in ’94 that warned about the circumstances that played a part in that riot. It pointed out a LOT of the same points as this one.

    The mayor didn’t make sure that report’s recommendations were implemented PRIOR to inviting everyone downtown.

    Suzanne Anton was screaming loudly that council was not involved in preparations long before the first car went up in flames.

    When the riot went into full gear, police managed to talk to Translink and get skytrain to stop running into downtown. Busses were halted at the south end of all the bridges.

    When the police arrived at 5:30pm and realized they were vastly outnumbered, they should have stopped transit THEN. Why didn’t they? Because they didn’t have a plan!

    Again, the report harps on the fact that there was a lack of planning. Who is responsible for that? Who ultimately takes the responsibility for the planning (or lack thereof)?

  • Michelle

    One thing that can be done in the future for the betterment of this city… never again elect a ‘blond chick’ as Mayor and group of incompetents with only one degree of separation from the very thugs that ransacked the city on June 15th.

    As for the Riot report by Abbot and Costello, wow, the prize for best line go to who else but… Glissando and I will use Roger kemble’s words : “Glissie @ #13 Aptly put as usual: “ Scavenger birds don’t fight each other!”: encapsulating the essence of this white wash succinctly!”
    Nuff said!
    Thanks guys! There is still hope.

    As for our venerable friend ‘spartikus’ , listen I don’t smoke, but I would rather start now if spartikus shares with me what he’s smoking, I want to see in Technicolor too!

  • Paul T.

    Michelle @32…

    Spartikus is a Library worker who is still fighting the strike from 2007. I can’t say I all together blame him. Many in that union felt VERY harmed by the way the NPA-led council of the day handled that strike. And they paid the price at the ballot box.

    I wish that he would trust the NPA is now populated by a vastly different group of people, from a much more diverse background. 2007 is behind us. It’s time to move on from the labour strife of that year. The battle is over, the NPA lost.

    Time to judge the past 3 years of Gregor. Personally it’s changed my political allegiances. I wonder if Spartikus will also start looking at things with clean glasses.

  • Jason

    I’m wondering if the Vancouver Observer, run by Joel Solomon’s sister, will now apologize to John Furlong for their 2 month long campaign to discredit him as “biased” member of the riot review. According to the Observer, Furlong’s connections to members of the NPA’s campaign team, and his comments about Robertson during the Olympics, made him “unfit” for the position.

    I’m sure Solomon and Gregor feel differently now. But god forbid anyone apologize for slandering and disparaging the man.

    “I wish that he would trust the NPA is now populated by a vastly different group of people, from a much more diverse background. 2007 is behind us.”

    It’s funny you say that Paul, because I’m always amazed when people mention past NPA Councillors, and attempt to tie the new group to actions of the old. The NPA has no set policy agenda that’s carried through from election to election, nor is there any “litmus” test for new candidates other than they have a generally positive view of “free enterprise”…which is not much of a hurdle. So what you end up with is a group, with fairly divergent backgrounds and views, but who are all united in believing that change is necessary at City Hall and a desire to be part of that change.

    The comments made by Spartikus and others attempt to label the NPA as an incredibly structured, well financed entity, that is conspiring in the wings….it’s simply untrue. In fact, Vision fits this description far better than the NPA does. I think if Spartikus and others actually sat down, talked to the NPA members, and asked about their background, how they joined the party, why they joined the party, etc. he’d be absolutely shocked that many had little or no involvement, or even knowledge of the NPA, prior to getting involved and most simply are unhappy with the way the city is going and want to get involved to change it.

  • Max

    One thing that was missed in the report – the fact that the event manager was not hired until two days before ‘the event’.

    Now, after throwing the VPD under the bus, I wonder if this will add to another ‘group’ of persons not happy with Vision come election time.

  • http://members.shaw.ca/aguaflor/BC.architecture.since.1952.pdf Roger Kemble

    There is more to this riot than meets the eye, and such in depth understanding will not come from highfalutin’ comments such as:

    Dave @ # 23Lots of interesting comments and reactions, ranging from thoughtful & reasonable to… well, strange and incoherent.”

    And who, pray, do you thinq you are Dave placing yourself on such a high judgmental pedestal?

    As for planning, did not this mêlée start out as a gathering on CBC plaza that obviously got out of hand? Did the CBC give prior warning? Did it know what it was getting into? If I am not mistaken, their plaza is private property where the police, theoretically, have no business, unless called.

    I suppose, given the ‘94 experience, it should have taken the potential consequences more seriously: getting police and council involved as a precaution?

    But my concern is “thu game” not the venue and I am quite sure my opinion will get short shrift on this conversation. But . . .

    Canadian hockey is not about sport, it is about manufacturing personality adulation for the not so young and gullible.

    Canadian hockey is not about thu game. It is about thu money and those rampaging kids know damn well they’ll never be in on the action.

    Is Don Cherry really some one we want our kids to look up to?

    Is Canuck captain Roberto Luongo really a role model you want your kids to take into life? He sure delivered a sad performance in that series: Is he embarrassed? I got the impression he was scared out of his wits by Boston!

    Francesco Aquilini, Canucks’ present owner, not long ago, was one of Vancouver’s most notorious slum landlords: does a leopard change its spots?

    So, what exactly does Vancouver have to offer?

    Well, if the kids are lucky (errr . . . ummm depending on your slant on life) they may get a job in Vancouver’s planning office bamboozling the public with long drawn our pubic hearing only to goose that same public by whatever spot zoning expediently comes along: yes, the city is that desperate.

    Enthusiastic fans are fed a pabulum of “world-class, most livable city, paradise, green, sustainable all the usual boilerplate that, when times comes to deliver, just isn’t there: hell, our rampaging kids cannot even afford to bring their future families up in their own town anymore.

    Even our higher learning is second rate.

    And do not forget Kinder Morgan and Enbridge are busy behind the scenes plotting to screw the only assets we have left: our natural environment as they push out the pack of lies that all will be well . . . it’s a big picture but I don’t thinq Dave can wrap his mind around it: that’s off topic!

    No future! So, waddo our kids do? They rampage.

  • http://2vancouver.com/ Sidony

    Well, they did the best they could. They don’t seem to be better than us at controlling riots in Europe or Africa. But I guess they’ll be prepared if it ever happens again :(

  • Higgins

    Robertson and the Vision cohorts are not going to take a pass from me, my family or my friends, we talk you know, like a lot!
    I have no trust whatsoever in politicians for a long time now, organized BChristy Rail Liberals, Vision family, biggest con artist from BC gets diplomatic immunity, no accountability for the destruction of vancouver…
    spartikus baby, are you off today, or are you foaming over the keyboard on my dough you little hypocrite?
    Paul T.,
    Is this guy working for the VPL for real?
    ‘Cause it ain’t right then. But hey all the green jobs invented by this joke of a council+mayor are of the public domain trough. Jeez!
    Robertson is guilty as hell. yeah, not in Furlong’s opinion not that much, but after all who the hell is this shmuck that flies one public corporation to another for 6figures salaries to “investigate” I say let all the prisoners free from all the jails around BC, they never needed ti=o be charged either… what is the difference?
    No one has been charged for anything despite they came forward with proof of their own wrongdoing. So now we are shocked by Furlong’s findings? Jeez.
    Money talks bullshit walks…

  • Julia

    In some respects, I am glad the report has left the blame component to the citizens of Vancouver. That way there is no chance to discredit the document. They said what happened and what went wrong and that is sufficient. We are now free to look at all the holes in the plan and wondering ‘what were they thinking’. No excuses, no spin, no deflection. Our private conversations cannot be controlled. It is not rocket science to figure out that far too many risks were taken and warnings were ignored – for what? So Gregor could be the Metro Big Shot?

    Logical people will make logical conclusions and vote accordingly. I am sure of it.

  • spartikus

    Hey Higgins…or should I call you George?

    You’re doing it wrong – threatening people’s families is usually more effective.

  • Joe Just Joe

    Could’ve all been avoided by having the TV screens down below in the Concord Pacific parking lot instead.
    No stores to loot just the illegal Concord show suite, and Rogers Arena which at least was involved in the event. As a bonus the rioters might have even knocked over Meggs hated viaducts. :)

  • Everyman

    Global did a pretty damning piece on the mayor tonight. He always looks like a deer caught in the headlights when the tough questions start coming.

  • A Dave

    Sparty, appropos to your comparisons to the Olympics, and your musing:

    “The person who should be Mayor is the person who did have the insight to see this coming….”

    I went back in the archives to March 2010, and a post-Olympic Bula post.

    “And that person was….”

    Gassy Jack’s Ghost:

    “Vancouver could have just as easily been torn to shreds by a mob of angry testosterone-fuelled drunk guys that would have made the anarchists look like a bunch of old ladies in red mittens.

    One goal separated the joyous celebration we witnessed from pure anarchy, from the Games ending in an unmitigated disaster with millions around the world tuned in. We all would have watched in horror as the largest domestic military deployment in Canadian history kicked in to quell the riot.

    One slapshot. It was that bloody close.”

    But I guess he moved out of town or something, so he won’t be running for mayor either.

  • A Dave

    +1 @Joe Just Joe
    “As a bonus the rioters might have even knocked over Meggs hated viaducts.”

    BTW, I have a sneaky suspicion that Higgins and Adele Chow are secretly lovers.

  • pw

    Imagine if the police had decided late afternoon that trouble was unavoidable and had acted by shutting down bars and liquor outlets, controlling access to downtown, assembling the riot squad, dispersing crowds and detaining some already drunk and unruly. The public and media reaction would have been that police had over-reacted and destroyed what had been peaceful, family-oriented gatherings. Instead of having just the criticism of a few perpetually angry right-wingers and partisans, Gregor would have a political firestorm. And much of the fire would be coming from his own supporters.

    They would be concerned that an out-of-control police force was imposing arbitrary limits on public gatherings. The spectre of No Fun City would be haunting Vancouver once again, at least according to the bar owners, aka “important donors”. Eby and Pivot would be parading case after case of excessive force before the media. Mickleburgh, instead of shamelessly cheerleading for the Mayor, would be on the warpath. Chiming in from some piazza, Frances would wistfully recall how torching a few cars in Paris 1968 contributed to her own awakening, while lamenting that a new generation has been denied that chance. ;)

    Our green boy wonder would have a real poltical problem on his hands and if Jim Chu thinks he has problems now it is nothing compared to what he would be facing. Politically the police had no choice but to stand back and let the riot happen.

  • spartikus

    Gassy Jack for Mayor!

    Even better than Wretched Ethel and Godzilla Salmi.

  • LRob

    Vancouver looks weak.

    No prosecutions, constant deflection … Anarchists, unwashed from the’burbs called The Greater Vancouver Regional District, other police didn’t chip in, and now the NHL is to blame.

    The incident was one thing, the lack of action paints Vancouver as no-brain, no-backbone city.

  • Bob H

    Does anyone remember that old song from the Sixties “The Name Game”?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJLi5_dyn0

    I keep hearing it in my head, retitled “The Blame Game” and its sung by the Mayor, Chief Chu, Furlong & Co.