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Vancouver bike-news day: Bike-share contract reached; plan for Point Grey Road laid out

July 18th, 2013 · 169 Comments

Oh brother, here we go, the bike debates.

But can’t avoid it, as that seems to be the week’s news.

Here’s my story on the city report re agreement with Alta Bicycle Share on the new public-bike share system. Still some news to come on this, as we don’t know who the sponsors will be. Deputy city manager Sadhu Johnston told me it won’t be one big sponsor, like in London or New York, as we don’t have those kinds of companies. And he only laughed when I suggested it might be a joint Lululemon/Hootsuite sponsorship.

Other news in the report is that the first stage of the system will only include downtown and the Kits/Mount Pleasant area from Arbutus to Main, up to 12th. Even though Commercial Drive routinely appears as one of the city’s most cyclingest neighbourhoods, apparenlty Alta said that there was too much dead space between there and the central city to make bike stations workable. The city wasn’t about to insist because it didn’t want Alta saying the system failed because they were forced to put in stations in unworkable places.

I noticed on Twitter this has already provoked some disappointed responses. Did seem like an ideal spot at the overloaded Broadway/Commercial station to have a big dock there, allowing at least some of those beleaguered commuters to take a bike rather than wait for another overstuffed 99B. However, who knows how popular the system will be and how it might expand.

In other bike news, the city held a briefing outlining the plan for the Point Grey bike route yesterday. Stories here and here.

 

Published Wednesday, Jul. 17, 2013 11:21PM EDT

 

Last updated Thursday, Jul. 18, 2013 10:00AM EDT

 

The city that prides itself on its cycling culture is finally set to hop onto the saddle of the biggest urban trend of the century: a public bike-share system.

Vancouver has finalized an agreement for Alta Bicycle Share Inc. in Portland, Ore., to roll out a first stage of the system in the fall, using Montreal’s Bixi bikes, with a $6-million contribution from the city. It will have 1,500 bikes and 125 stations in operation by the spring.

Alta will also install the continent’s first helmet-dispensing system to address the province’s helmet laws, which have been a hurdle for the past three years. Only two other cities – Sydney and Melbourne in Australia – are known to require helmets for bike-share users.

The Alta/Bixi system is being used for bike-share operations that launched recently in New York and Chicago.

The news has prompted excitement from the city’s avid cycling community, and some wariness from those who fear financial problems or a negative impact on local bike-rental companies.

But the city’s deputy manager said Vancouver learned from other cities about the best way to avoid getting into a financial mess.

Unlike Toronto, which provided a loan guarantee to get its bike-share operation going, Vancouver will shell out $6-million up front and provide staff to support the system. It is also going to give up revenue as some parking meters near bike stations will no longer be in use. But Alta will be on the hook for everything else, Sadhu Johnston said.

“Alta owns the system. They’re liable,” Mr. Johnston said. “Then if the numbers aren’t working, it’s their responsibility. It’s enabling and regulating rather than owning and operating.”

A report on the proposed system that goes to council next Tuesday also recommends that no bike-share stations be set up within 50 metres of private bike-rental stores.

Cities have experimented with bike-share systems – which allow people to rent a bike for brief periods – since the 1970s. But the idea really took off after Paris created the Vélib system in 2007. The distinctive grey bikes and docking stations are now ubiquitous in the city.

More than 500 cities, from London to Mexico City to Hangzhou in China, have bike-share systems that range in size from a few hundred bikes to 60,000.

Some have pooh-poohed the idea of a bike-share system in Vancouver, saying the city is too hilly and too rainy.

But others point to the dramatic increase in cycling in recent years as the city has moved aggressively to put separated bike lanes downtown and enhanced cycling routes elsewhere.

City councillor George Affleck, who is in the minority Non-Partisan Association, said he is in favour of bike-share systems.

But, he said, he does not understand why Vancouver is putting in so much money, when New York got a sponsor to cover all $41-million of its costs.

He said he is glad the money will come from the city’s parking reserve instead of being added to tax bills, but he thinks the city could have found more partners to help with the costs.

Mr. Johnston said that Alta is lining up sponsors to cover half of the remaining $15-million in costs for the system. Those deals are being finalized and will be announced later. However, Vancouver is unlikely to get a single sponsor, the way New York or London did.

“It’s been quite difficult identifying sponsors. We don’t have the same kinds of headquarters.”

The city is still deciding on a name, colour and logo for the bikes.

It is also allowing Alta to limit its coverage in the early years to downtown, plus parts of Kitsilano and Mount Pleasant, bounded by 12th Avenue, Arbutus and Main streets. That means no stations for the heavily used Commercial/Broadway station, or Commercial Drive, which is popular with cyclists.

Mr. Johnston said Alta determined the industrial area between Commercial Drive and downtown did not have enough density to support bike stations all the way there.

 

 

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  • jenables

    Oooh, my typo there gave me a great densification idea…why not build houses ON TOP OF HOUSES? I’ll accept my award and consultants fee in 3, 2, 1,..

  • waltyss

    jenables, I swas wrong;; you make no more sense when you post during the middle of the day than whenyou post at night.
    Most people cannot afford to live in Dunbar or Kerrisdale or Point Grey. Those who can and do make a choice to keep their capital tied up in a very expensive house. I am one of those people. It is a choice that my family makes; just as you choose to drive downtown. I make sacrifices in other areas in order to live in a single family house where I do.. Other people make ohter choices.
    yes, most people cannot choose to live on the West side in a single family house. But we have to then provide other choices. Those become choosing between multi family structures in the city and single family homes further out.
    If we want people to live closer to where they work or wan to live, we have no choice but to densify. If we want to keep this city liveable, we need to discourage cars in the downtown to the extent possible.
    I fail to see what5 is wrong with that. I and few of my neighbours who are alerady here could draw up the moat and live a very comfortable. life. However just because I can afford to live on the West Side and to drive downtown does not mak emy views invalid. You are letting your resentment consume you.

  • Threadkiller

    @ Chris Keam, #98:
    Nice dodge. Does daily cycling gradually bring about some kind of alteration to one’s brain chemistry that renders cyclists consitutionally incapable of taking responsibility for their actions? Just asking.

  • Chris Keam

    @TK

    LOL, do you just lump everyone into these neat piles, or it is just people on bicycle who get the benefit of your erroneous and ridiculous assertions? Just asking.

  • teririch

    New sign for Vancouver Parks Board to consider for one of the mini-parks on Pt. Grey Road:

    “Rich Dude chillin’ in my private park thanks to Hub and Vision Vancouver!’

  • teririch

    @Chris Keam:

    Ridiculous assertations…. would that include a news broadcast that showed ‘cyclists’ piling their bikes onto the Pt Grey Road sidewalk and saying ‘Look, look how narrow the sidewalks are….’

    Talk about theatrics for the camera….

    Lights, camera, action and sound bite…’Poor us’….

  • Thereadkiller

    @CK #103:

    Nope. Just seeking a logical, easy-to-understand explanation for the irrational and irresponsible behaviour displayed daily by cyclists all over the city, and their consistent and complete denial of same. Evidently you’re unable to understand it as well. Let me know if you come across any reasons that make sense. Ta, TK

  • Threadkiller

    As a result of being unable to spell my own handle, I have a comment “awaiting moderation”… Don’t everyone hold their breath, now.

  • Don D

    Seriously, Mr. Kearn, be honest, do you really think that if motorists drove with the same disregard for the rules of the road, drove the wrong way on one way streets, drove on sidewalks, refused to stop for red lights, stop signs, and pedestrians – even if they limited their speed to 20 miles per hour – that there wouldn’t be mass carnage on the roads?

    I cycle to work. I drive a truck in the course of making a living.

    As appalling as many car drivers are, cyclists are qualitatively more careless, aggressive, arrogant, and dangerous. Skillful and careful motorists save the lives of countless reckless cyclists each and every day, and more often than not, get the finger for doing so.

    The fact that you are not prepared to acknowledge this is proof in and of itself, of the self-righteous, egocentric attitude of you, and sadly, many, but thankfully not all, cyclists.

  • rf

    Why don’t the make Pt. Grey Road Cars only and York local traffic/bike traffic only?

    Seems like a solution that could accomodate both sides.

    There’s way more cars than bikes out there. Why do we not have any routes dedicated to vehicle traffic only?!

  • Chris Keam

    @DonD

    The point is you are generalizing. Somewhere between sweeping characterizations and anecdata is reality – a wide range of individuals with a wide range of behaviours. The most bizarre part of these largely pointless conversations is that when a gov’t or organization actually tries to address the issues by suggesting sensible changes, that’s not good enough either. What exactly do you propose Don D? Give us some ideas for solutions. The trope that motorists are skillful and careful and cyclists reckless simply isn’t borne out by the evidence.

  • Chris Keam

    ““Rich Dude chillin’ in my private park thanks to Hub and Vision Vancouver!’

    I don’t know where folks get this strange idea. I know I plan to use the heck out this route with my small family if/when it’s finally a reality and we are but poor Eastside folk. I suspect it’s just another talking point that will prove false once reality intrudes.

  • gman

    rf#108,
    There is an option called everyone wins that Vision refuses to even consider.
    http://everyonewinsvancouver.blogspot.ca/2013/02/point-grey-cornwall-corridor.html

  • gman

    There are some interesting facts and figures in this link that show how Vision is intent on bamboozling us .
    http://cityhallwatch.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/point-grey-road-analysis-of-city-proposal/

  • gman

    Harvey has an interesting piece and I found the comments funny when I saw Richard cut and paste the same comment that he posted here #8 and who knows how many other blogs.
    http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/

  • Bill Lee

    From B.C. Assessment office, I scraped the Point Grey Road addresses from this PDF.
    There are many more houses that didn’t make the 500 properties cut.
    But these forty are worth a half-billion dollars.

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/l6j8fml

    PROVINCIAL TOP 500 VALUED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES (2013)

    Value Rank Property Address Total Taxable Value ($)

    2 3085 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 35,168,000
    7 2815 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 24,413,000
    17 2999 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 19,329,000
    29 3425 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 17,154,000
    30 2781 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 17,124,000
    31 2715 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 17,070,000
    35 3003 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 16,492,000
    36 2875 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 16,446,000
    39 2531 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 16,060,000
    45 3019 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 15,413,000
    61 2925 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 14,452,000
    62 3005 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 14,349,000
    70 3287 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 13,941,000
    89 2897 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 13,104,000
    95 3467 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 12,910,000
    115 3119 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 12,147,800
    151 3479 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 11,168,000
    173 2633 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 10,602,000
    175 3109 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 10,594,000
    176 3241 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 10,590,000
    182 2505 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 10,462,000
    194 3011 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 10,279,000
    205 3371 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 10,111,000
    211 2495 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 9,898,000
    216 2707 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 9,834,000
    238 2529 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 9,591,500
    271 2465 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 9,167,000
    274 3513 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 9,116,000
    294 3585 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,868,000
    315 3325 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,671,000
    331 2487 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,551,000
    341 3525 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,483,000
    348 2893 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,381,000
    352 2891 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,357,000
    361 2711 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,306,000
    375 2475 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,219,600
    380 2515 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,189,000
    391 3257 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,141,000
    394 3383 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 8,115,800
    485 3415 Point Grey Rd Vancouver 7,552,000

    sum 496,819,700

    So how many were Vision supporters, or gave money to the Bike Groups like HUB, etc?

  • teririch

    @Don D #107:

    You are correct on that front.

    HUB’s arguement is this is all about ‘safety’ for cyclists yet many cyclists flaunt the road rules without a blink.

    I went for a beach walk last night crossing the street at Cornwall and Trafalgar.

    4 cyclists ran the red light.

    You also have to appreciate that in order to not have the Bixi bikes fail, they want the helmet law changed – so the ‘safety’ arguement only happens when it is to HUB’s benefit.

    Question: What happens if an out of country tourist uses one of the city subsidized Bix bikes, doesn’t wear a helmet and has an accident. Who is liable for medical expenses and possible lawsuits? Taxpayers??

    And as Frances mentioned in a tweete, the Bixi bikes will not have locks – which leaves them open to theft (cuz bike theft doesn’t happen at all in Vancouver)

  • Bill Lee

    “And as Frances mentioned in a tweete, the Bixi bikes will not have locks – which leaves them open to theft (cuz bike theft doesn’t happen at all in Vancouver)”

    And I would like to see 100 at Hastings and Carrall, free, unlocked.
    Some will be sold for aluminum scrap but others will be used as basic transport around the district by everyone.
    I can see the bloated VPD putting officers around to arrest and threaten anyone with a Bixi down in DTES for stealing. With GPS installed won’t they be easily traceable anyway?
    Why shouldn’t everyone deserve an overly heavy free bike?
    The Station Métro Place-d’Armes Bixi station around from the Old Brewery Mission (902 St. Laurent and St. Antoine) in downtown Montreal has 30 bikes places. And the Station Saint-Antoine / Saint-François-Xavier has 15 spots.

  • waltyss

    Bill Lee and others: either removing most cars from Pt. Grey Road is good policy or not. What is the relevance of what the value of the houses in that area is.
    While one may question Vision council’s fixation on bikes uber alles, I strongly suggest that no part of this is because Vision is catering to the wealthy who live along Pt. Grey Road. There is not a shred of evidence that this is so. Moreover, if is good policy, it is irrelevant that it will benefit the Wilsons, the Cohens and others. Similarly, if it is bad policy, that it benefits those people should be irrelevant.
    Why is this important? Because there are good arguments as to why Pt. Grey Road should not be closed to all but local vehicles. An ancillary benefit to rich people is not one of them and undermines the good arguments.

  • waltyss

    Oh, and similarly, that many bicyclists flout traffic laws is similarly not a valid argument against closing off Point Grey Road. Completely separate issue.
    teririch, if an out of country bixi cyclist is injured because they do not rent a helmet, I fail to see how the city can be liable. Straw man.
    As for being locked up, I would be very suprised if there was not some way to restrict usage by non members.
    Have you got any real arguments against the Bixi bike programme or is it just knee jerk “if Vision is for it, then I am against it”?

  • Agustin

    gman, 111: a few things:

    1. The route before council was designed by staff, not by Vision. The politicians vote on what staff presents, and in some cases has them make changes.

    2. How do you know that this suggested route wasn’t considered? The design process started quite some time ago, and several options were presented to the public. Several other options would have been considered by staff.

    3. The suggested route has separated bike lanes on Cornwall east of Arbutus. Do you advocate for that?

  • teririch

    I couldn’t help notice that there is now a sign at the crosswalk at MacDonald and Cornwall/Pt Grey (one turns into the other) telling peds to cross at the ‘west’ sidewalk.

    It shows a person crossing with a big strike through it.

    I see the process of restriction has started.

  • Threadkiller

    @C. Keam #109:
    ” The trope that motorists are skillful and careful and cyclists reckless simply isn’t borne out by the evidence.”

    Which is probably why Don D. never made that claim, nor would anyone with a brain any larger than a walnut. If you must play your role of constant naysayer, at least have the courtesy to not put words in peoples’ mouths.

    The fact is that both cars and cyclists consititute serious dangers to the forgotten segment of the populace in these endless circular arguments: Pedestrians. Re cyclists, the anecdotal evidence of dangerous behaviour which you denigrate is overwhelming. You ask for solutions? Here’s one: Require bicycles or their riders to sport easily-visible identification of some kind, akin to license plates. Create new traffic laws specifically addressing bicycles and bring riders who ignore the rules of the road up on charges, as with car drivers. Give them a substantial fine and a six-month suspension from riding, as with car car drivers. With sufficient determination on the part of the authorities, the cyclists who fail to ride in a law-abiding and responsible manner would soon be sorted out.

    This proposal has about as much chance of ever being put into effect in this city as there is of finding lasting peace in the Middle East. But you asked for solutions and I’ve offered one. Now it’s your turn.

  • teririch

    @Bill Lee #116

    Yup, it will be intersting to see how many of these bikes go ‘missing’.

    Wasn’t it Frances’ Velo program that had a huge issue with theft and vandalism. (People taking them, riding them and then tossing into a bus or over a bridge…)

    From what I understand, there is no shared bike program to-date that has not lost money/makes money.

  • teririch

    @Threadkiller #121:

    No, you don’t understand.

    Lots of cyclists don’t feel the ‘rules’ apply to them and you have cycling advocates perpetuating that ideal. Just like the poverty pimps in the DTES telling addicts it’s not them that has the issue, it is everyone else that doesn’t understand their ‘lifestyle’.

    $300+ K in outstanding fines speaks volumes.

  • waltyss

    teririch @120 Isn’t it fun to make stuff up out of thin air when it fits your pre-conceived notions.
    You say:
    I couldn’t help notice that there is now a sign at the crosswalk at MacDonald and Cornwall/Pt Grey (one turns into the other) telling peds to cross at the ‘west’ sidewalk. It shows a person crossing with a big strike through it. I see the process of restriction has started. ”
    First, let’s get out the way that it is the intersection of Macdonald and Pt. Grey/Cornwall. Cornwall ends at Trafalgar when the little hook that starts at Kits Beach rejoins the main street. But that is quibbling.
    However your suggestion about this new sign is, as is usual, is without merit. The sign says “Use West Crosswalk” and indicates that you should not cross before the turn onto Macdonald but in the crosswalk after. Nothing to do with closing Pt Grey Road, except in your fevered imagination.
    Proof, well that sign is not new and appears in the Google Maps street view which is at least 5 years old. I know you don’t believe me; go check out Google street view for that location.
    And then apologize!

  • Victor

    Potential missing Bixi’s
    Vancity tried a bike share program a few years ago and they quickly all disappeared.
    Poor VPD will be searching for Bike Parts soon.
    Didnt hear if Vision was going to reimburse the company for missing bike parts ..or not?

  • Bill Lee

    @ Victor // Jul 24, 2013 at 3:29 pm #126

    Yes, on their history for 2007.
    https://www.vancity.com/AboutVancity/VisionAndValues/History/Highlights/

    “Vancity purchased 45 fire engine red bicycles. bicycles and turned them loose in the City of Vancouver.

    Riders were asked to keep the bike for a maximum of three weeks, and then write about their experiences online. Any bikes that needed repairs could be brought in to any Vancity branch for a tuneup.

    According to VanCity website at the end of the test – only 22 of 45 bikes had been returned.

    Although the program ended with only three bikes remaining.”
    See southdeltaleader.com/news/213373731.html?mobile=true for recent 2013 attempts to start up in Tsawwassen with VanCity’s enthusiasm.

  • teririch

    @waltyss #125:

    When you go down and donate your time 4 nights a weeks for several years – notify me.

    Maybe then you will wake up and smell the poverty pimp coffee that they serve with the sugary donuts when they want the residents to fill out a ‘survey’ of sorts in order to get more and more government funding.

    You are undereducated in ‘your opinion’.

    And as per usual, no where did I show ‘contempt’ for people int he DTES – I however do have huge contempt for those that feed off of them and or advocate to keep things that way.

    Get is straight next time – or at least try.

    And try not being part of the DTES problem.

  • waltyss

    Tell me , teri, is it hard work being self righteous or does it come naturally.
    Reread your sentence (which you gratuitously inserted in a post that otherwise had nothing to do withe the DTES) and tell me who it shows contempt for. I suggest that it is for the residents of the DTES and the people who work in programmes down there.
    And Ms. rich, often the most self righteous are those purporting to do the good works. If you read the Bible, particularly the New Testament, you would know this.
    I’m still waiting for the apology about the crosswalk sign at Macdonald and Point Grey Road. And no, I am not holding my breath.

  • Chris Keam

    “$300+ K in outstanding fines speaks volumes.”

    “… the city is owed around $8 million in uncollected (parking) fines because so many tickets are tied up in court, where the wait can be as long as 2½ years.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/04/bc-vancouver-parking-tickets-adjudicators.html

  • Chris Keam

    “Require bicycles or their riders to sport easily-visible identification of some kind, akin to license plates.”

    Non-solution to a problem that’s way overblown by the anti-bicycle brigade. The statistics are clear. Cyclists are not a significant danger to any road user group.

  • Chris Keam

    @TK

    “Don D. never made that claim”

    From Mr. D’s original comment:

    “Skillful and careful motorists save the lives of countless reckless cyclists each and every day.”

  • Chris Keam

    “Wasn’t it Frances’ Velo program that had a huge issue with theft and vandalism. ”

    It’s Velib, and no, it wasn’t really a ‘huge issue’.

    “Paris resident Eric Britton is a regular Vélib user and managing director of transport think tank New Mobility Partnerships – as well as being a Ph.D. level economist. He believes Vélib’s own figures on theft and vandalism should be seen in the context of the incredible amount of usage the system gets and the health-enhancing benefits it brings; “The figures mean an average of around 15 thefts a day out of 80,000 daily uses.”

    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/is-vlibs-provider-crying-wolf-20416/

  • Chris Keam

    “When you go down and donate your time 4 nights a weeks for several years – notify me. ”

    Does that mean someone who hasn’t donated their time to active transportation issues shouldn’t voice an opinion too?

  • brilliant

    @jenables 100- you have to remember our waltie is the typical champagne socialist: pushing bikes as he motors by on his way to work and condescending hinting you can’t afford a car while he can. Why doesn’t he practice what he preached? Who knows, maybe he’s a POS (person of size), maybe he has a bum pickers or doesn’t look fetching in spandex knickers.

    It’s the same double standard we saw when he preached the joys of higher density but then had a major freakout when he thought his swank Dunbar home was going to be “thin-streeted”.

  • waltyss

    brilliant not, jenables at least tries to make a logical arguement until her resentment overtakes her. You are just a nasty piece of work who, for this I give you credit, never even attempts to contribute to an argument. I think the slime you exude never lets you. Too bad.

  • jenables

    Ck – your link was from 2010, icydk. sounds like justification for when they removed any real right to dispute tickets, while admitting their meters were not infallible. Fairness shmairness.
    Waltyss.. your comments to me proved both my point and yours, so thank you. I’ll just agree to disagree with you that only the non-wealthy need to have this bold new world relentlessly rammed down our throats. Brilliant, you know what I mean…

  • jenables

    That reminds me of a comment waltyss made wondering what Dunbar could possibly have against vision, then mused that it was probably some nimby matter. If comment 102 doesn’t reek that, I’m not sure what does. Coupled with the fact he thinks I’m full of resentment because I don’t live in Dunbar? Bahahaha! I like where I live just fine thank you. You see, I am not particularly money driven. People like myself may get by on a wing and a prayer (that will be stuck inyour head FOREVER now) half the time, but we don’t care so much for expensive cars and homes. They are nice, but they don’t really matter. I’d rather have a nice old character home on the eastside, tbh, but I don’t resent those who do! Why would I?

  • gman

    Agustin #121,

    1. You must be joking,who do you think “staff” gets their direction from? And who picked the winners,because we know it wasn’t the residents.

    2. I don’t believe this route was given any serious consideration judging by their own reasons for rejecting it.And what is really funny is one of their reasons was a concern about increased traffic on 4th. You can see for yourself at “D” here. http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/Point-Grey-Cornwall-Public-Consultation-Phase2-Intro-Boards-Routes-Not-Recommended.pdf

    3. No,not at all,I don’t advocate for anything that isn’t in my neighborhood,I respect what the residents of their own neighborhood want. My personal view is that the lane should be on York to Stephens south to 1st then separated on the south side of PGR to Balaclava through the green space onto 1st.Its cheap,it doesn’t require expensive separation as traffic is naturally calmed by the amount of cyclists,no one has to lose their on-street parking and drivers will avoid the street.But that only works for true commuter cyclists ,not the weekend family beach viewers

  • Agustin

    Staff get their direction from council. It goes something like this: “staff, we want better bike facilities in this area. Come back with recommendations.”

    It does not go like this: “staff, we want better bike facilities in this area. I want you to pretend to present the public with multiple options, but have one pre-selected. Now, there will be those that holler that they weren’t consulted, so you need to set up a sham open house well in advance, even though we all know that they are meaningless. And, to further convince the sheep we call the citizens of this fine city, we want you to trick the public into thinking that the option you pre-selected was actually their idea all along.”

    You are seeing malicious conspiracies where there really are none.

  • Julia

    Teririch – there will always be businesses on 4th – but they may not be the same businesses that are there now. After reading the Oakridge impact study it becomes clear that turnover and business failure is considered natural collateral damage to ‘progress’.

  • brilliant

    @Waltsyss – my humblest apologies. My phone took my concern for your heart rate and “bum ticker ” and instead insinuated you were a bum picker. My bad.

  • Bill Lee

    @Julia // Jul 25, 2013 at 9:32 am #142

    The Fourth Avenue Business Improvement Association (BIA) put in their adverts promotions (before the sewer work closures) : Come and visit 4th, 30 new stores.
    Since there are no “new” as in newly built stores, that would mean a 10 percent turn-over per year or more in stores along 4th.
    We might not see any difference if a store had a change in lessee.

  • teririch

    @Bill Lee #144

    You blink and there is a new ‘for lease’ sign up along West 4th.

    I see Manitque (sp?) is now gone, and other spaces are still sitting vacant.

    When the sewer replacement was taking place, there was a very noticable drop in the foot traffic of the area.

    On that note – I was wondering why the crossing lines at West 4th and MacDonald were left at a ‘penciled in’ state. I am now guesing that it has been left this way pending the final talks on Pt. Grey Road – in order to put in that left tun lane onto MacDonald etc.

    Like many have mentioned – a ‘done deal’ and another ‘sham’ process.

  • Julia

    Bill, 6-10% turnover is not uncommon. I am referencing the studies that suggest that cyclist shop neighbourhoods – which they do, but not necessarily the shops that currently exist there. I submit the turn over would dramatically increase and the retail mix would change to suit the demographic. Now, some might see that as progress, and others might see that as a wholesale change of an existing neighbourhood for the worse. What is certain, is those current businesses might suffer a painful death before the turnover happens.

  • teririch

    A few night back and on one of the local news stations, Sadhu Johnson was speaking with regards to costs of renting the bike shar bikes and why it would NOT impact the bike rental shops around Stanley Park.

    I am trying to find that infor/video clip as there seems to be a disconnect between what he mentioned, dollar wise, versus costing talked about in this week’s (yesterday’s edition) of the Georgia Straight.

    I thought it was GlobalBC, but I’ve played the clip and that detail was not there.

    It was specific to addressing the concerns of local bike rental shops.

  • gman

    teririch this little gem should send a cold chill through everyone’s veins. Internationally well connected unelected bureaucrats manipulating elected politicians and the public in order to further their agenda.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH_z9rnERUM

  • jenables

    gman, yes it did send a cold chill….ugggh. I notice the garrison institute doesn’t have any qualms about air travel judging by their seminars and symposiums. maybe they need behavior modification sold to them with social media with a side of brainwashing.

  • jenables

    and Bill, the place i worked at on fourth wasn’t even street level but the rent went up 1600 per month over seven years, almost all of that was due to property tax… we were the oldest tenant in the building!