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First big campaign day: NPA talks about free parking on Sundays, Vision talks housing, free swim lessons

October 10th, 2014 · 70 Comments

Suddenly, the energy level has ramped up in the campaign and lots to do and cover the last two days.

Things started off Wednesday with duelling newsers from Vision and the NPA, where Vision announced its “family-friendly” (you’d think in this province, they’d be wary of that phrase, but whatever) affordability platform, emphasizing their commitment to keep looking for ways to encourage new rental apartments, family-oriented units, and social housing, along with, yes, free swim lessons. Only for those under 14, so don’t get too excited, my blogsters, about getting a chance to finally learn to swim.

Kirk LaPointe of the NPA took to Kerrisdale to say that motorists have been treated with disdain by Vision Vancouver and, to help out struggling families who just want to park easily as they do their shopping and so on, an NPA government would get rid of parking charges outside the downtown for Sundays and holidays, as well as scaling back the hours for paid parking everywhere from 10 p.m. to 8 p.m. My story here.

That night, there was a council candidates’ debate at Killarney community centre where, predictably, the big issues were the funding for the seniors’ centre and the fight between the park board and six community centres. Vision council candidates Raymond Louie and Niki Sharma didn’t get booed or anything. Louie kept insisting the city’s $1.2 million is there if it’s needed, contrary to reports, and Sharma was very conciliatory, though vague (“we should talk”)  in her answers about how to de-escalate the situation between the park board and centres.

But certainly other candidates got big rounds of applause for saying the fight should end and Vision dithered for 12 years on the seniors centre. (Though they’ve only been in power for six, so that seemed off.)

Then, yesterday, a news conference by the Chernens from the Cedar Party in the morning, claiming that the city failed to get the best deal out of the Oakridge redevelopment, leaving hundreds of millions on the table. Apparently their team called the Vancouver police department, alleging actual fraud. The RCMP’s E Division apparently went to city planning to ask some questions and then declined to lay any charges. Lots of photocopied documents and allegations of this and that passed around.

And, in the evening, a big rally by Metro Vancouver Alliance, the coalition of churches, unions, advocacy groups and others pushing to create change in four areas: housing, a living wage, better transit, and measures to alleviate social isolation. The three major mayoral candidates, Gregor Robertson, Kirk LaPointe, Meena Wong, plus the Greens Adriane Carr were there. I tweeted madly on this. If I get a burst of energy, I’ll storify them and post.

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  • boohoo

    Free parking? Free swimming? Yawn.

  • Warren12

    Free parking is so backwards.

    1. Less revenue
    2. More traffic congestion
    3. ????
    4. Profit!

  • Tiktaalik

    With this parking policy the NPA is clearly staking out their territory on the wrong side of history.

  • Tiktaalik

    Why don’t downtown residents get free parking?

  • spartikus

    alleging actual fraud

    While simultaneously saying, I understand, “no laws were broken”.

    Er…got it.

  • TKO

    The right is always saying that the City should be run more like a business. Unless it’s parking. Then the Communist model is preferred.

  • Keith

    Point to ponder:

    From the 2015 – 2018 Vancouver capital plan, affordable housing 125 million over four years, or 31.25 million per year. Parking revenue for those four years, at 45 million per year will be 180 million. The city’s capital commitment for affordable housing is less than the pocket change we are using to plug the parking meter.

  • allertonm

    Is anyone keeping track of how many different allegations of fraud or criminal behavior Glen Chernen has made against the City/Vision? They are starting to pile up. The first time I encountered this guy he was claiming that a bike share would violate the Vancouver Charter and it has only gotten better from there.

  • Kirk

    I think it’s a shrewd move. My guess is that the NPA don’t really care that much about parking meters. I doubt Kirk LaPointe decided to run for mayor because he was itching to roll meters back to 8pm.

    It’s all about bringing voters to the polls.

    The few of us on these blogs will vote. We’re less than 1%. Most of the cyclists will vote. That’s about 5%. Then there’s the hardcore anti-tanker and anti-pipeliners. Probably 3%. The seniors. The few families who make it a tradition. We’re the people who always turn out to vote, the ones who’ll make the effort to go to the advance polls if we’re not going to be in town on voting day. Add in another miscellaneous few percent of fair-weather voters, and it all adds up to 30%.

    If the NPA can bring out just 5% of the general public by offering them 8pm meters, they’ll win.

  • spartikus

    One gets the occasional impression that the Cedar Party’s sole purpose is throw as much mud as possible for the benefit of a third party who want to keep their hands clean.

  • VanRamblings

    Free parking Sundays and statutory holidays, and cutting back parking meter enforcement to 8pm is both a family friendly endeavour, and a boon to both small business and the arts community.

    If you’re a young family, you’re looking to save all the money you can. Needless to say, reducing parking fees offers some succour for families.

    If you’re attending a play at The Stanley, or a movie downtown, park your car, pay til 8pm, and enjoy your play or movie. When Vision extended parking enforcement til 10pm, drivers would often have to leave mid-play or film to stuff the parking meter, reports indicating that the later enforcement time a contributory factor to a dampening of attendance.

    Not good for us as citizens, or for our arts community.

    Perhaps Kirk LaPointe simply wants to end the war on cars that has emerged as a central tenet of Vision’s platform, and restore some sense of balance to how we traverse our city, with a renewed focus on walking as a primary means for us to get around, then transit, followed by cycling, and finally use of our personal vehicles.

    You know, democratic governance that meets the needs of all.

  • boohoo

    Your post was almost readable until ‘war on cars’, then you just became a silly caricature.

  • Warren12

    You live up to your username with your rambling but fail to address my points.

    This is parking subsidized by Vancouver taxpayers. I’d be willing to bet 50% or more of the Sunday and holiday parkers are from out of Vancouver. My (COV) tax dollars at work…

  • Chris Keam

    How many metered parking spots can there possibly be within a reasonable distance of arts venues? At best this plan will benefit a few dozen arts-goers at any performance. From what I’ve seen, people attending arts or sporting events tend to use the many parkades downtown.

  • Internet made me obsolete

    And if they’re going out in a car to dinner and a show or a game, they obviously have money to burn, and that means they’ll vote NPA regardless. I’d like to see meters on the bike-racks and utility poles to which bikes are attached. We wouldn’t want cyclists to enjoy privileges denied to the rest of us, right?

  • Gerald Dobronov

    How would you prove it?

  • jenables

    Warren, This is public land which is maintained by tax dollars, most of which probably should not go to punishing and further taxing the cash strapped residents of this city, or patrons from anywhere else. Small businesses have paid dearly for this practice, and they are certainly paying more tax than you, so please consider them before you bemoan “subsidizing” people who don’t reside in Vancouver.

  • Gerald Dobronov

    That’s because they have no other choice. When the metering ended at 8pm I would always look for a meter first and then a parking lot as a last resort. It was cheaper and I’m sure I’m not the only one who did that. As soon as it was extended to 10pm that ended street parking for many people and parking lots were the only realistic choice.

    Also I understand that the city is in partnership with EasyPark, who operate many of the downtown parking lots. Raymond Louie defended the severe parking rules by pointing out how much money the provided the city. It’s a bit of cash cow for Vision.

  • jenables

    It is called permit parking, and it is almost free.. But most of them have five levels of concrete underground to park in, i guess.

  • Chris Keam

    Yeah! Let’s charge people a standing fee too! Freeloaders, thinkin’ they can just take up space.

  • TessaGarnet

    Yes, it’s public land paid for by tax dollars, but it provides a service for people that’s the same as any business service, and not open to all residents. What’s more, the service is generally more used by wealthier residents than poorer. Cost recovery is a reasonable objective if you ask me, especially when the alternative is raising property taxes.

    What’s more, this argument that somehow free parking will help small businesses has been debunked a million times: free parking is anything but free if you’re the one circling the block six times for a place to park. It’s hardly business-friendly if people can’t park.

  • penguinstorm

    So, out of curiousity–are we only covering issues in the potemkin village that is the City of Vancouver?

    This is why the governance of the GVRD is so poor.

  • Fern Jeffries

    We are anticipating Kirk LaPointe will attend the Coalition of Vancouver Neighbourhoods’ Town Hall meeting, along with Bob Kasting and perhaps Meena Wong. All parties will be represented by City Council candidates as we focus the discussion on Community Engagement in planning. Charlie Smith will moderate. Hope to have good representation from your peeps & tweeps Frances. 7 pm St. James Hall, Wednesday, October 15th. 3214 W. 10th

  • Roger_Kemble

    http://members.shaw.ca/webmaster-nonpareil/Thu%20Horror/thu.horror.html

  • spartikus

    There’s just one problem: parking isn’t free. In fact, according to Shoup, “the cost of all parking spaces in the U.S. exceeds the value of all cars and may even exceed the value of all roads.” Parking costs billions of dollars a year.

    and…

    Of all the transport systems available, including public transit, shipping, and rail, cars are unique in that terminal costs (doing something with your vehicle when the trip is finished) are offset to the rest of the economy. This “provide[s] a huge subsidy to motorists, and thus increase[s] the demand for cars, parking spaces, and vehicle travel.”

    The High Cost of Free Parking

    Or low-cost parking.

  • spartikus

    I wouldn’t even say it was readable even to then. The assumption that a “young family” going to a “movie downtown” assumes a certain income level. It also assumes they wouldn’t choose a parkade over street parking. Indeed, would choose a motor vehicle over public transit.

    It’s simply another subsidy for the upper class, and is a strange sentiment coming from the man who helped Tim Louis take over COPE.

  • jenables

    Let me clarify that for me, it is not so much about wanting free parking but for the city to ease up on the excessive ticketing and towing. The punishment which seems like such an easy money maker actually does affect business. I would like to see the meter time rolled back a little as well. i disagree that it is or should be like any other business, for reasons stated above; i also disagree with the statement that it is not open to all residents. what is the difference if i was to argue the bike lanes are not open to me because i don’t have a bicycle?

  • jenables

    This sounds like something i would say haha

  • jenables

    Costs billions of dollars a year, how? I am a bit stupid so maybe you could explain how the cost of parking exceeds the value of all cars, and what the alternatives are? Does it mean the physical cost of the land that comprises the sides of the roads? Is it suggesting the sides of roads be sold? how exactly is the rest of the economy paying when one parks a vehicle? Just looking for details, if you don’t mind.

  • Brilliant

    Why does Gregor gouge them for parking after business hours?

  • Brilliant

    LOL the upper class. Right they’re the only ones with cars or who go to movies. What about all those visiting downtown residents who Gregor has been gouging. Or do only the upper class have friends & relatives who don’t live in Vancouver

  • Chris Keam

    “If you are parking after 6:00pm at a two-hour meter, you can pay for four continuous hours.”

    http://vancouver.ca/streets-transportation/pay-for-parking.aspx

  • spartikus

    Try reading the linked article.

  • spartikus

    Another article on Donald Shoup & parking. Of note, the CoV engineers were already working on variable parking pricing.

  • jenables

    It’s a book actually, but i did read the article and it did not answer my questions, nor is it really relevant to Vancouver. I did, however read this quote:

    “The best way to implement market priced parking is for cities to remit all of the revenues from parking to what he calls “parking benefit districts”, akin to business improvement areas. This way, decisions on how to collect and how to spend are made by the citizens most affected.”

    What’s that? Parking affects business?

    Also,

    “That parking doesn’t just come out of thin air,” Shoup says. “So this means people who don’t own cars pay for other peoples’ parking. Every time you walk somewhere, or ride a bike, or take a bus, you’re getting shafted.”

    Ooh, guess since I don’t have kids in school, I’m getting shafted. Someone never got the taxation doesn’t always pay only for what you use personally memo. It’s called being part of a society that looks after one another beyond our personal needs/interests/beliefs/ableism/income/etc. Shafted, smh.

  • spartikus

    Ooh, g uess since I don’t have kids in school, I’m getting shafted

    I’m assuming you went to school, however. You received the benefit of an education, and even if you don’t have kids you’re paying it forward now.

    Parking is simply [another] subsidy to motorists. It’s a regressive one at that. Whether you are rich or poor you pay the same – “free” in residential neighbourhoods and way below market rate in central business districts.

    Yes, the article didn’t answer your questions – such as whether the author was suggesting the land for parking be sold – because they were, once again, addressing points not made.

  • jolson

    First Big Campaign Day; tinkering with parking, that’s it?

  • Voice of Reason

    Parking is a subsidy to motorists just like fire protection is a subsidy to people who have fires, education is a subsidy to those who have children and parks are a subsidy to those who want to have a picnic. In fact, you can argue that any public service is a subsidy if it is not funded directly by those who benefit from the service on a user pay basis.

  • Voice of Reason

    Given that the “upper class” funds government revenues disproportionately (you are aware that the government has no money of its own) it would be better described as a rebate of over taxation rather than a subsidy.

  • boohoo

    Fire protection, education and parks are not the same as parking. Parking is not a public service.

  • Voice of Reason

    Definition of public service:

    “the business of supplying an essential commodity, as gas or electricity, or a service, as transportation, to the general public.”

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/public+service

    Parking is part of the transportation network and is clearly a public service. How that public service is funded – user fees, general revenues – is a political decision that is open to discussion but does not alter the fact it is a public service.

  • boohoo

    Roads are a public service, I disagree parking is. Not in the same way that we speak of public services like power, water, education, health care–essentials.

  • Chris Keam

    Street parking is the subsidized storage of private property. Nothing more or less. It is notable in that only motorists have this ostensibly ‘public’ service available to them in a fashion that is essentially ubiquitous and yet limited to those who have the means to access a licensed motor vehicle. Equating parking with education or fire protection is to stretch the definition of a public service from the sublime to the ridiculous.

  • jenables

    So you can’t just chain your bike up anywhere?

  • Kirk

    I don’t have a strong feeling for the parking thing, but I don’t think power, water, education, healthcare are essentials either. The US has pretty much privatized all of that, and they still function fine.

    Govt gives us a bunch of things that I question all the time. I never use the library. Who does? Why do we even have them still? Why are we building new community centers? Now, the CoV is going to give us free WiFi. Who asked for our taxes to be spent on that? Why are we paying for a new art gallery? What about homeowner grants and renovation rebates? Why do we subsidize BC Ferries and Translink? Shouldn’t we just raise fares?

    Anyway, I’m not a libertarian, so I’m okay paying for all this stuff that I don’t use. This conversation will never end because everyone’s priorities are different.

  • Chris Keam

    That’s an irrelevant and pointless comparison. There isn’t anywhere near the level of parking infrastructure provided for cyclists, nor a commensurate allocation of public space for same. Frustrating to try to have a serious conversation and have it derailed by off-topic inanities. I don’t see the NPA making any claims to expand bike parking.

  • jenables

    The kids in school argument was sarcastic, (i was hoping you’d understand that from the rest of what I wrote) but you bring up an interesting point, that being even if you don’t own a car, you’ve privacy y rode in one, had a friend visit, or otherwise “used” parking, and everyone certainly derives benefits from roads whether they drive a car or a bike or are a passenger in a handy dart. I dunno, maybe you truly feel that parking/roads is an outlier in a sea of otherwise useful/directly beneficial to you taxpayer funded services? In downtown Vancouver is not below market rate but perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you think it is? Unless you don’t want to “enact the labour”.

  • jenables

    Frustrating to be called frivolous, essentially, but i can deal.

  • jenables

    Spoken like someone who can park their car in the garage or driveway of their single family home…

  • Warren12

    Healthcare and education “functioning fine” in the US. If that’s your view, that explains a lot.