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Who would fund transit more — the NDP or the Liberals? See if you can figure it out from this

April 10th, 2013 · 24 Comments

Transportation Minister Mary Polak came out with what appears to be the Liberal position for the election campaign on transit Monday. I also included, for comparison purposes, the NDP’s. Story here.

Interesting to see how relatively close they are, at least in the statements. Quite a difference with what’s happening in Ontario, when Premier Kathleen Wynne is talking openly about taxes and tolls while the NDP and Conservatives are opposed.

(My story also pasted in after the turn, as usual.)

 

B.C.’s Transportation Minister has promised the province will work with Lower Mainland mayors to develop a plan by the fall on how to pay for transit, staking out the Liberal government’s position on the messy issue only days before the election campaign officially begins.

In what was clearly a move to show some progress on a contentious file, Mary Polak also said Monday that her government is open to all possibilities for new transit revenue, even those rejected in the past, as long as they meet certain criteria. They have to be affordable, regional and not a drag on the economy, she said.

The NDP’s transportation critic, playing his part in the expected campaign jousting over transit funding, said that Ms. Polak’s announcement about the plan is just a meaningless replay.

“We sat through this movie before,” said Harry Bains, the MLA for Surrey-Newton. “It’s almost the same statement they made in September 2010, committing themselves to this exact wording. And nothing happened.”

Then-premier Gordon Campbell signed a memorandum of understanding with the mayors to develop a plan for a sustainable transit system shortly before he announced he was going to resign.

Ever since then, the region has been mired in arguments over how to pay for transit improvements that cities are demanding. The province and mayors did manage to come to an agreement on a gas-tax increase that is paying for TransLink’s part of the Evergreen Line in the northeast part of the region.

But there is no money available for the three light-rail lines that Surrey is lobbying hard for or the Broadway subway line that Vancouver wants. The two projects would cost $5-billion between them.

The positions staked out by the two B.C. parties give the public a nuanced choice to make, unlike in Ontario, where the three main parties are also debating transit funding.

There, Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne is open to the idea of tolls and taxes, while the NDP and Conservative parties are opposed.

Here in B.C., Ms. Polak said her party is committed to creating a long-term funding plan as long as it is “affordable.”

She declined to say whether any of the mechanisms proposed over the years was definitively on or off the table, including a vehicle levy or a regional carbon tax.

Mr. Bains said his party is committed to creating a long-term plan as long as it is “not burdening the working middle class.”

In the meantime, he said the NDP will put money into transit by taking some cash from the existing carbon tax, which is currently returned to taxpayers as part of the Liberal promise to make it revenue-neutral.

That will mean raising the corporate tax rate another one per cent, on top of the one-per-cent increase the Liberals announced in the recent budget, he said.

Ms. Polak also spelled out in her announcement Monday, made with TransLink mayors’ council chair Richard Walton at the Metrotown SkyTrain station, that the province will “develop governance options that work for all parties.”

Local mayors have been irate about the way TransLink is run, ever since the province removed them as the political directors of the transportation agency and created a new system where an appointed board makes all of the decisions about operations.

Mayors get to vote only when TransLink needs new money for improvements. Then the mayors have to agree on a supplementary budget that brings in increased property taxes, gas taxes or other fees.

Mr. Bains said the NDP will “fix the governance by bringing the locally elected officials onto the TransLink board.”

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  • boohoo

    The Liberals have had a decade to do something, they’ve done nothing. So short of the NDP actively cutting funding, they can’t do less.

  • Guest

    Tough to say – the NDP can flip-flop.

    The NDP established TransLink and originally proposed the Vehicle Levy to fund TransLInk’s operating budget – but then Dosanjh backed off and failed to pass the needed legislation.

    http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=e98eb3ec-7a85-49d5-a364-d18d1823c4ca&p=3

  • Dan Cooper

    “Re-elect me and I promise to do everything differently than I have in the past.” Not very convincing.

  • Glissando Remmy

    Thought of The Day

    “Who would fund transit more, hmmm, IMHO both BC Liberals and NDP shall be invited on the Jay Leno Tonight Show… to find out, I think!”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9aMiuUAbX4

    We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

  • Joe Just Joe

    Not sure it’s fair to say the Liberals have done nothing, we did get the Canada Line and the largest expansion of service hours south of the Fraser ever etc etc. It’s not enough, but it never is. If any party does do more, we will either have to pay more or we will see less spent elsewhere.

  • boohoo

    #5

    They have done nothing with regards to long term funding/strategy. Doing nothing while promising to do something is of course worse than just admitting you’re going to do nothing because everyone has false hope.

    A one time Olympic spending spree doesn’t really count.

  • Frank Ducote

    Well, Olympic spending does indeed count, certainly as a stimulus or call to action within a specific deadline. Many if not most recent transit expansions in the world have been triggered by some major international event or other – Expo 86, Barcelona Olympics, Mexico City Olympics, 2010 Winter Olympics, world fairs, etc., etc.

  • boohoo

    It doesn’t count when you’re talking about a long term funding strategy for transit.

    Sure, you gotta capitalize on these big events when they occur, but that’s hardly a long term strategy. Any idiot can put their hand in the pot when a giant pot comes around.

    Transit is an afterthought to this government, that’s clear. Will the NDP be better? I don’t know how they could be worse.

  • mezzanine

    @8

    The libs also started tolls on the PMB and GEB bridges.

    WRT to funding, IIRC victoria transferred parking taxes (administered and remitted to victoria) directly to TL (to be now controlled by TL) in 2010.

    http://www.translink.ca/en/About-Us/Taxes/Parking-Tax/FAQs.aspx

    I suspect a lot of further plans for TL funding from provincial revenue went out the window with the HST, as with any mojo for finding novel funding streams such as vehicle levies.

  • boohoo

    Yeah and they also dropped the rapid bus from the PMB that was a cornerstone of their advertising blitz in the beginning. Not to mention massive widening projects/new highways all over the place that are ‘free’.

  • Joe Just Joe

    Umm am I missing something? The rapid bus is up and running from Langley to Braid right now, the ridership is steadily increasing too. The only thing that is missing is the Surrey stop which is still being sorted out.

  • boohoo

    Right, only after people pitched a fit that they weren’t going to have it running in the first place, as they promised in all their pr material.

    ‘Still sorting it out’? They’ve had half a decade to plan for that and they are still sorting it out?

    No, it’s just not a priority. At all. I just hope the next government isn’t as bad, although again I wonder how they could be.

  • Joe Just Joe

    Ahh I see so when they do something it’s only because they were forced to by the public, but when they don’t do something it’s because they don’t listen to the public. I understand now.

  • mezzanine

    @12

    of note, the 156th stop in surrey was to be esablished with a new exchange and park and ride in conjunction with a local development from overwaitea. The development fell thru and for some reason, and no one in surrey planning noticed this and made contingencies, or at least alerted the province/TL or the public.

    http://www.civicsurrey.com/2012/11/30/the-case-of-the-disappearing-bus-stop/

  • boohoo

    @13

    Not sure what you’re trying to get at.

    Was transit a cornerstone of the PMB project when it was first announced? Yes

    Was transit going to be part of the original plan for opening? No

    Are you guys actually defending the Liberals track record on transit?

  • mezzanine

    @15

    there are perhaps other reasons why rapid bus to 156th wasn’t established from the onset.

    i think the libs could have done more of course (like further roll-out of road pricing and the levy), but i wouldn’t say they have done nothing.

    regardless, in a few weeks we will see if a new admin can do anything further with transit and TL.

  • boohoo

    @16, I’m talking about rapid transit on the bridge in general, not specifically about the 156th exit.

    Rapid transit was touted as a fundamental component of the bridge yet when the bridge was set to open, there was no transit. It was not put back in until that news got out and they were forced into action (and have since put in a reduced ‘rapid’ bus).

    If the Liberals were in any shape or form serious about transit, don’t you think they would have at least ensured a rapid bus would be on the bridge from day one?

  • Guest

    The rapid bus started the same day as the bridge opened:

    http://www.news1130.com/2012/11/16/rapid-bus-service-between-langley-new-west-begins-dec-1/

    Ummm –
    SO SERVICE DID START on DAY ONE.

    Part of the HOV ramps – to Lougheed Station – are still under constriuction (like much of the project).

  • boohoo

    @18

    I’m not disputing that. But it was not going to start on day 1 if people hadn’t got wind that it wasn’t and raised hell.

    My point, again, is that if the Liberals were in anyway serious about transit, they would have ensured the rapid bus was part of the bridge opening from day one as they said they would. The fact that they had to last minute make sure it would be open clearly demonstrates their interest (or lack thereof) in transit.

    The timelines here are pretty simple stuff, go look it up.

  • Bill

    It was reported in the Vancouver Sun this morning that the Mayors want to have control of the gasoline tax that comes from Ottawa so they can determine whether it should go to Translink or to other capital projects like water or sewers.

    Just another example where government creates a tax for a specific purpose but then diverts it to another purpose, just like the NDP is going to do with the Carbon Tax. The only solution is to keep our money out of their hands because once they get it they will find something to spend it on.

  • spartikus

    Just another example where government creates a tax for a specific purpose

    This is incorrect. The federal gas tax was created to fund infrastructure. At the time of it’s introduction Metro Mayor’s chose to dedicate their share to transit. Translink subsequently became an appointed body controlled by the province.

    Metro mayors, understandably, would like to regain control of that funding.

    The federal gas tax was not specifically created to fund transit.

    http://actionplan.gc.ca/en/initiative/community-improvement-fund

  • Guest

    Transit funding is a push and pull between the Province, TransLink and the municipalities – because transit funding can be such a black hole drain.

    What is played out in the media isn’t necessarily what is happening behind the scenes. A lot of it is posturing.

    If the Province ponied up funds for transit up front – you’d just have the hand extended out again, and again, and again.

    The same tension is happening in Toronto, too.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/04/16/toronto_report_backs_sales_gas_tax_and_parking_levies_to_pay_for_transit.html

  • Frank Ducote

    I was utterly unimpressed with the discussion at SFU last week on this topic. The Libs want a referendum (taking up to 2 years to do), the NDP will hold ferry fares constant for a similar 2 years while they study the #^&* thing and, BTW, magically fix TransLink’s broken governance (duh!), while the Conservative and Green candidates were fairly irrelevant anyway, in terms of forming a government this time around.

    I would have hoped that at least one major party had a coherent vision and clear point of view for moving the province and Metro forward but, no, they just want to buy 2 years through various distractions like referenda or study.

    When you’ve been out of government for 12 years you’d think you’d have strong positions on such key matters as a Broadway subway and/or Surrey LRT but no, don’t ask us now please, we’re in an election!! Same goes for when you’ve been in government for the same length of time.

    So, both major parties have so far failed miserably at presenting a coherent long-term tansit and transportation platform that would help voters judge.

  • Andrew Browne

    @ Frank – I had been wanting to go to transit talk but was able to get a last minute slot in at the dentist. Sounds like I made the right choice. I probably would have started yelling and ranting about how useless the pols are. Tired of magical billions showing up for roads whenever needed, while transit infrastructure that grows the economy and improves quality of life is left wanting.