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Vancouver’s NPA: Why it’s dominated city politics for so long and expects to do so again

October 25th, 2011 · 50 Comments

The real election season has finally arrived. Contradictory polls are multiplying and candidates are jousting over various issues that make not one whit of difference to the lives of most people in this city.

It’s also when voters are starting to think seriously about whether they’ll cast a ballot at all and, if so, who for. The reality is that about 70 per cent of eligible voters in this city won’t, because the choices will seem too daunting or they won’t feel strongly enough about any of the candidates. It may be even more than 70 per cent this election, as some political strategists I’ve talked to say that turnout will likely be lower than 2008’s 30 per cent.

That leaves it in the hands of the rest of us to decide. (It’s not actually the worst way to go. That 30 per cent is a relatively well educated lot. I don’t mean in terms of post-secondary schooling, but in terms of people who follow the news and learn something about the candidates.)

What many are waiting to see is whether Vision, a party cobbled together out of some people who migrated from the more-left COPE, some Greens, and some Liberals who migrated over from the more-right Non-Partisan Association, can hold together. There isn’t a strong history of that kind of centrist party being able to hold out in this city or this province, where people tend to polarize into right and left.

My story about the NPA in this month’s Vancouver magazine looks at the way this 74-year-old party has been able to survive many political revolutions over the years. Things are looking very mixed for the NPA in this election. Both public polls and polls inside the parties indicate Vision Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson has a strong lead.

 (Today’s Postmedia poll has to be taken with a grain of salt. Although it has a good sample size, it was a robo-call — i.e. an automated calling system that simply dials anywhere in the city, not even checking whether the person responding is a voter — that only measured who would vote for the mayor and who would vote for anyone but him. That’s closer to an approval rating and isn’t that far off the 52 per cent the mayor has been holding at for a few months. That’s different from asking people who they would vote for against a known candidate, as the recent Justason poll did, and eliminating the undecideds to get 68 for Robertson vs 32 for Anton.)

The bigger question is whether the NPA can establish a strong beachhead on council with some effective councils, to rebuild the party for 2014. And the even bigger question is whether Vision can hold its coalition together over a long term or whether this is a brief revolutionary moment that will become part of history, after everyone reverts back to the old pattern of an unmistakably left-wing party versus a sort of middle, sort of right party.

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  • david hadaway

    If we do get an even smaller voter turnout, and if once again the party distribution of the council bears a minimal relationship to votes cast, then really it will be essential to dump the ‘at large’ system and introduce wards.

    I profoundly disagree with the suggestion that there is anything ‘not the worst way to go’ about only 30% voting or that they constitute some kind of elite among the citizens. Even for the politically engaged the lists are far too long and complex. We cannot get to know candidates as individuals, no one with limited resources has a chance of election, we have ridiculous alphabetic bias and vote multiplier effects.

    I’d much rather have two votes, for mayor and one councillor, that I could use meaningfully rather than a multitude of votes that I cannot dispose satisfactorily.

  • jesse

    “It’s not actually the worst way to go. That 30 per cent is a relatively well educated lot. I don’t mean in terms of post-secondary schooling, but in terms of people who follow the news and learn something about the candidates.”

    O-kay…

    As a reporter Frances my humble suggestion is to concentrate as much on the candidates as the parties; it does a disservice to those who are running on more nuanced views than towing the line of an entrenched slate. To think there might be disagreement within even the NPA. Shock and horror.

  • jesse

    Also it does a disservice to other slates than the “big 2(3)” and independents. NSV has a strong following in certain neighbourhoods and other independents who have decided to run based on service, not party allegiance, are no crackpots. Give them some airtime, or do they need to first pass muster with opinion polls wrought from samples of which many if not most won’t even bother to vote? Maybe the more “educated” amongst us would like some “diversity” in our campaign coverage. Food for thought.

  • Roger Kemble

    I had a belly full of NPA, 1957 thru 1997.

    Earlier on I played against Vindex at Brockton Point Oval for the Barnard cup play-off: that would have been 1952. George Puil played scrum half for Vindex. I was left prop for Victoria’s Oak Bay Wanders

    We were close, too close. I wouldn’t sit next to that guy on the bus.

    He sold the city out, Ray too, at a 1992 council meeting. I was there. He deferred a view corridor debate to give Li ka Shing time to deploy his towers: as of ass-backward planning.

    I practiced from ’57 until I left town and its been down hill ever since: until Gregor.

    Of course Vision plays footsie with developers: it’s about jobs. And even that doesn’t look too rosie right now. But it’s the only game in town in this loosing FIRE economy (thanq the beautiful couple for that).

    And he stood his ground for social at OV and the bickering over the cycle lanes.

    This guy has gonads!

  • Roger Kemble

    david hadaway @ # 01

    Yes of course, incrementalize: wards sooner than later . . .

  • Hugo

    Hi Frances,

    From all accounts the NPA is almost dead and very badly split with open revolt among the candidates.

    Many people are angry that Anton and her side kick Klasen have stacked the campaign for him and so they are going it on their own. This is comming from people with the NPA.

    The real story though is the NSV who are essentially the NPA reborn. They have a very strong base in the west side of town and have taken a big part of the traditional vote away from the NPA.

    All things considered and looking at the blogs everywhere I believe that NSV will shock people and get a few of their people elected and the NPA will be dead by year end.

  • Everyman

    Hugo – looks like someone’s been reading Alex T again. If you read Frances’ excellent article from VanMag, you’ll note there is always a tension between a “party” created from Liberals and Conservatives (see the BC Liberals for the same). What you read there is one side of the story. As for NSV, I haven’t really heard anyone discuss them, despite their admirable goals. When your opponents are spending millions, its going to be hard to get any message out.

    What has to worry Vision is that the Classic COPE voters will pick one the “none of the above” mayoral candidates, like Randy Helten, instead of voting for Gregor as the COPE executive wanted them to.

  • david hadaway

    Well, Roger, thank you for the agreement on wards but I have to take issue on Gregor’s gonads, disturbing though the topic may be! That he has them literally is obviously true, after all his concern for personal stewardship of the earth and respect for Chinese methods has not stopped him producing a family of four to hasten the next billion on our overcrowded planet. But metaphorically, for social housing?

    Come on! The promises of the OV have evaporated. Little Mountain is a rubble strewn wasteland. STIR is an obvious scam. The HEAT shelters? Have you seen inside one of those places? For about 2.5K per person per month the occupants get to relive Stalag Luft III, except our shelters would breach the terms of the Geneva Conventions for the treatment of POWs! The Germans used force to keep people in, we use it to kick them out. I’d rather be in a tent outside the VAG, and actually with policing costs of (supposedly) $1,000 a day all inclusive that is probably a better alternative for both homeless and taxpayers!

    I don’t give a “f@cking NPA hack” about bike lanes but on the subject of homelessness and affordable housing, which he so shamelessly exploited and on which he has so shamefully failed, ‘Dodger’ Robertson is the last person to deserve praise.

  • Max

    One NPA candidate that seems to get missed in the attention is Francis Wong.

    I’ve had opportunity to speak with his on several occassions – he is smart, understands business and the economy, has good family values and all in all, a good head on his shoulders.

    He would be an asset to city council.

  • Morry

    Who are they kidding! I have looked at their slate… what a joke! Flip-flop Anton . Crazy Joe candidates on street corners acting silly. Shallow Bloggers, Klueless Cklassen … Prediction: They will get 1-2 on council.

  • Bobbie Bees

    I sit here on Seymour listening to Jane Siberry. Pondering why such a gem hasn’t become better known in the world. Then i realize that i need to vote against the NPA.

  • Bobbie Bees

    @everyman, myself I would much rather vote for AGT before i would ever consider wasting a vote on Randy Helten

  • brilliant

    Wow Bobbie thank you for that oh-so-relevant stream of conscousness bon mot. I’m sitting here listening to the Board if Trade mayoralty debate listening to no-Vision Gregor babble on one side of his mouth about connecting Chinatown to the rest of the city by trashing the viaducts, yet pooh-poohing the streetcar which does just that. Oh yeah, Gregor’s rolling of eyes when Councillor Anton talked about the streetcar was worthy of teenage girls everywhere.

  • Bobbie Bees

    Um, brilliant, as a guy who took his driver’s exam in Toronto I tell you why street cars are a no go. Car drivers out here are going off the deep end over a dedicated bicycle lane and now you want to run street cars? My good boy, have you ever seen a street car in real life? They occupy road space. You cannot pass them whil they are stopped.
    Car drivers out here can’t behave around cyclists and now you want to run street cars.
    If street cars are so good, why did Vancouver eliminate the street car network in the first place. Or are street cars just something that the NPA are pushing for because they know it sounds good but will never actually get out of the ‘stakeholder consultation’ phase?

  • Everyman

    @Bobbie Bees 14
    One of the main reason the streetcars were retired was union regulations of the day that required both a motorman and a driver, and BC Hydro was looking to reduce labour costs.

    You might also note that the city had already purchased the right of the way for the streetcar long ago, and much of it is grade separated.

  • Sean

    @Jessie # 2:
    “…my humble suggestion is to concentrate as much on the candidates as the parties”

    That’s something I’d really like to see too. It’s more work, of course, but I’d love for someone I trust to do that kind of legwork for me… 😉

    @Everyman #15
    “…the city had already purchased the right of the way for the streetcar long ago, and much of it is grade separated.”

    It’s NOT “grade separated” unless there are no level crossings of streets. Skytrain is “grade separated”. Dedicated rights of way which still cross other streets at intersections are NOT. There’s a big, big difference.

  • Bobbie Bees

    @ Everyman #15, I’ll take your word on the two man crew. The TTC in Toronto which has it’s own very militant union, has always been operated solely with only a driver.

    You also mentioned ‘right-of-ways’. Are you talking a touristy little train that put-puts around false creek? Or are you talking a real street car network in which the street cars occupy the two innermost lanes, no passing allowed on the right and stops where the passengers stand on the curb until the street car comes and then they simply walk from the curb to the street car.
    Yeah, I can see the oh-so patient car drivers following behind a street car on Robson Street or Davie Street or Hastings as the street car plods along at about 30 to 40 km/h.
    This was one of Rob Ford’s plans. He wanted to rip up the street cars in Toronto and replace them with buses.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2010/10/27/ford-streetcars-removal524.html

    Now me, I’m a fan of public transit. And myself, I’d love to see street cars running all over the place. Anything to calm traffic and slow it down would get my vote. Robson-Denman-Davie-Granvile-Richards-Robson would be a nice loop. Richards-Beach-Stanley Park-Pender-Richards would be another nice loop. And Stadium-Science World-Granville Island-Museum-Kits Beach-UBC would be another excellent route.
    But this is where I have the problem.
    For the NPA and Anton to come out swinging for streets cars all the while claiming that dedicated bicycle lanes are anathema to private business is perplexing.
    Street cars WILL slow traffic down. There are no and if buts or maybes about that. I knew people in Toronto who absolutely refused to go anywhere south of Bloor because of the concentration of street cars. Anton has no problem with this, but she wants to get rid of the dedicated bicycle lanes because the businesses weren’t consulted? then she had better give up on a street car system as no business in their right mind who believes that the car is king and on street parking is sacrosanct is going to consent to street cars.

    Can you imagine Vancouver car drivers putting up with this?
    http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/65/5a/230b487f40158c5cceb999b2f994.jpeg

    Here’s another picture that shows one of the minor problems with street cars. There is one automobile in an accident holding up at least 10 street cars. Street cars can’t go around accidents to easily.
    http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/b2/04/ac89bbc84b1fb3dcb82b147e27e3.jpeg

  • mike0123

    There’s a huge difference between a streetcar line that runs in mixed traffic and a streetcar line that runs in a separate lane or other right-of-way that isn’t subject to traffic delays.

    I’m curious if the NPA is serious about their streetcar proposal. I can’t see the point in spending so much money without hoping to achieve some measurable improvement in transit performance. Do they propose to remove two lanes from general traffic through the neck of the downtown peninsula to make room for a dedicated streetcar alignment?

  • Morry

    Who best groks that “Downtown is for People”?

    “There are, certainly, ample reasons for redoing downtown–falling retail sales, tax bases in jeopardy, stagnant real-estate values, impossible traffic and parking conditions, failing mass transit, encirclement by slums. But with no intent to minimize these serious matters, it is more to the point to consider what makes a city center magnetic, what can inject the gaiety, the wonder, the cheerful hurly-burly that make people want to come into the city and to linger there. For magnetism is the crux of the problem. All downtown’s values are its byproducts. To create in it an atmosphere of urbanity and exuberance is not a frivolous aim.”

    http://bit.ly/pQSOaw

    hint: NOT NPA

  • Everyman

    @Bobbie Bees 17
    According to the proposed right of way, there really isn’t that much existing street parking that will be lost, though I’m sure there will be some squacking.

  • Dr. Frankentower

    @Morry #19

    50 years later, this JJ article is the clearest argument why the proposed new Vancouver Art Gallery development is utter folly, and will suck even more life out of that end of downtown… creating a ghoulish, modernist wasteland after dark. Perfect!

  • Everyman

    I saw a clip of the debate on last night’s 6:00 news. It was a nice little touch when Gregor chivalrously stepped into block Councillor Anton from the deranged lobster man. However, it was even more interesting to note Suzanne didn’t budge or bat an eye when the fellow charged towards her.

  • Hugo

    @ Everyman 22 (i’m getting the hang of this)

    Anton didn’t budge cuz she was frozen with fear and her heart was about to stop, didn’t you see her eyes get as big as saucers?

    Any way, to a more important point. I was listening to CKNW around 3 pm and heard one of the “Star” candidates Mike Klause.

    This guy crashed a Vision press conference re their economic plan and made an ass out of himself and had NOTHING to offer in oposition!?

    He was then made fun of by reports for the next hour or so and then out of PANIC the NPA released an ‘economic’ plan via email.

    The plan was empty and all it really said was if there is a surplus we will give it back to the taxpayers? WTF?

    When have we ever had a surplus ever?

    Then during the debate etc Anton said she favoured continued shift of taxes to homeowners past 2012? WTF?

    In conclusion I think that Mike Klause is an idiot and I will not be voting for him or his dementia effected leader.

  • Everyman

    @Hugo 23
    When did we ever run a budget surplus? That search didn’t take long:

    “Vancouver City Hall regularly run annual operating capital and budget surpluses due to the fact that they don’t end up spending as much as planned or revenues exceed expectations. Normally, these surplus dollars are reallocated to various municipal spending priorities with very little debate. Current estimates at the end of the 2nd quarter of 2011 project the City of Vancouver’s operating and capital budget surpluses to exceed $7.5 million. In 2008 Gregor Robertson inherited a $15 million surplus from the NPA”
    http://npavancouver.ca/2011/09/backgrounder-npa-prosperity-agenda-fiscal-measures/

    Vision also favours shifting the tax burden from businesses to residents. Currently Vancouver has one of the most skewed ratios in the country.
    “Higher property taxes are a burden on businesses. Vancouver businesses pay property tax at more than five times the rate of residents, well above the regional average of 3.5:1.”
    http://fairtaxcoalition.com/

  • MB

    Less than a month to go and only Bill McCreery has the most intelligent and insightful commentary from the NPA side of the ledger. Otherwise it’s less a campaign of ideas from the NPA than bombing by negativity.

    The streetcar “policy” has been on the books for a decade and was first promoted by a fellow in the Engineering Dept. Would that Ms. Anton could articulate well-thought out policies on where regional transit should go in the early 21st Century, because a stand-alone, expensive streetcar project needs to be a part of it, not a separate trinket for tourists. And Vancouver is, after all, the most important city in the region.

    (Thanks Bobby B for pointing out that the disruption of constructing and operating the downtown streetcar will have far greater impact than the separated bike lanes ever could. Not that streetcars shouldn’t be reintroduced to the city, but that it most be done with the full acknowledgment of the impact.)

    Not everyone is a block voter, and some of us have been looking for a credible administration-in-waiting to offer more than the Vision vision, which has distinguished itself from previous adminstrations with greater credibility.

    But, agree or disagree, many people see Vision/COPE (sans vindictive firebrand Tim Louis) as the best of the bunch at present, and the NPA as being so devoid of original ideas (except Bill M. who obviously comments independently of his party) that it’s difficult to even imagine them as a strong opposition.

    I wish it wasn’t so.

  • MB

    Note to Hugo, your comments would be far more effective if you stuck to criticizing ideas rather than resorting to demeaning a personality.

    Many of us have elders who have had (or are currently suffering from) dementia. Where is the wise contribution to a political discussion when name-calling erupts from the audience?

  • Richard

    @MB

    You’re not serious are you? All McCreery seems to wants to do is study everything forever instead of making bold decisions. This has been the problem with the NPA for the last two decades. They produce good plans but nothing ever happens. The minute it gets a bit controversial, the just do yet another expensive study.

  • MB

    @ Richard, Bill McCreery has a long history in Vancouver, and his commentary (on this blog and elsewhere) I find refreshing and not from the NPA script, which has 10 rules, the first nine are to attack every body else, and the tenth is to rehash old projects.

    Bill is from the old TEAM clique which was one of the more progressive, bold city administrations. Regarding bold decisions, they first must be well thought out, and I don’t find any sustenance in the NPA’s publications so far to back bold policies today. Acting boldly without sustenance is pure Fordism. Yes, Rob Ford has now become a verb.

    I’m not advocating voting for the NPA slate. They haven’t presented much worth considering up to now as a party. But please don’t beggar Bill M’s long history with the city, his participation in bold initiatives like South False Creek, and right to speak outside of the party line.

    Moreover, their mayoralty candidate is a far cry from the time that integrity was counted. Philip Owen was dumped by the party back then because of his integrity and boldness advocating for a constituency that was and still is the antithesis of the traditional NPA consituency.

    He became, essentially, a mayor for everyone instead of just rich westsiders. The NPA haven’t had a worthwhile leader since then, and their party has been drubbed from that point on.

  • A Dave

    I assume Hugo means Mike Klassen? What the heck was he doing “storming” a Vision press conference? Not exactly the type of behavior befitting a City Councilor… wow!

    MB, I’m with you regarding McCreery (the only NPAer who will get my vote), but I wonder what you think about Neighbourhoods for Sustainable Vancouver as an alternative when filling out the slate? They may be a one issue party for now, but it’s a BIG issue where civic politics is concerned.

  • mezzanine

    @Bill McCreery, what is your stance on the protected bike lanes?

    Not the bike route around stanley park, which although is nice, is not as controverisial as the protected on-street bike lanes.

    Or maybe I am wrong, maybe there was controversy. was there? was it the right choice in hindsight? do you see the same for the protected bike lanes?

  • Richard

    @MB

    What matters is what people would do in the future, not what they did in the past. McCreery has been remarkably uninformed about some issues and not bothered to learn anything about them. Regarding the bike lanes, all it would have taken is a few minutes on the Internet to learn that they are a good idea, many other cities are doing the same and that they don’t have a much of an impact on businesses.

    Yet, before they were implemented, he was asking for an expensive business impact study. Even the one after the bike lanes were implemented was not very accurate. The error on the impacts was +-50%. Imagine how much less accurate one before the bike lanes were built would have been. The $100,000 would have been better spent on measures to promote Hornby or even a tax rebate to the businesses.

    When he was supposedly in “listening mode”, when I met him, he didn’t bother asking me about bike lanes or improving cycling in the city, he spent all the time discussing one of his ideas.

    We need people on council who take the time to educate themselves about issues and talk to people who know about them. Requesting endless unneeded expensive studies is not productive.

    Anyway, even if he is “progressive”, as soon as he made a decision that Rob MacDonald and the back room boys at the NPA disagreed with, I expect that they would force him to “reconsider”. Hardly democratic but that is how the city was ruled for decades under the NPA.

  • Everyman

    @ Richard
    And yet Vancouver has risen to be one of the world’s most liveable cities under the steady hand of the NPA. It certainly wasn’t due to anything from the disastrous COPE interrgenum of 2005-2008.

  • MB

    @ A Dave, the Neighbourhoods for a Sustainable Vancouver web site has a 7-page intelligently-presented policy document that bears looking at. They also have one mayoralty candidate (Randy Helton) and four council candidates, all with limited profiles included.

    They seem to be concerned with municipal process and are strong advocates of City Plan and enhanced neighbourhood planning, all of which are good things. One council candidate has experience with Heritage Vancouver, and overall they offer a mix of public and private sector experience.

    They may be a little subjective, however, in their critiques of city planning through Helton’s City Hall Watch — not a bad thing on its own, but it could be coopted by zealous anti-development groups. I would suggest that advocating for a neutral and very involved citizen workshop process (kind of a beefed up neighbourhood visioning) would be a good way to diffuse polarizing influences.

    I think their candidates are worthy of a closer look and may provide a middle-of-the road alternative to round out the total available votes for non-slate voters.

    http://nsvancouver.ca/

    Anyone out there with inside information on NSV?

  • MB

    @ Richard 30, I’m with you on bike lanes. I prefer to believe separated bike lanes have broken through the “car lobby’s” holy grail and will now be expanded, if ever so cautiously.

    However, this is not, nor should it ever be, a one-issue campaign.

    You have benefitted by meeting Bill personally. I would hope that he is mature enough to take well-meaning advice gladly, do the research when needed, and tell Rob MacDonald to get stuffed when a good idea (or experience) is headed to the party dustbin.

    Perhaps he should have ran as an independent if he feels stifled.

  • Julian Christians

    On the topic of good NPA candidates for non-slate voters (disclosure: I’m mostly but not entirely a Vision supporter), Sean Bickerton is also really good. His criticisms of Vision are reasonable and informed and balanced by constructive ideas. He takes Vision to task for their record on homelessness, which the rest of the NPA doesn’t seem to do much (something I find difficult to understand). Given his opposition to the casino expansion and his interest in taking down the viaducts, I imagine he wouldn’t just toe the party line.

  • Ryan

    Julian Christians

    Bickerton said on twitter he supports the NPA platform of keeping the viaducts.

  • ThinkOutsideABox

    @ Frances,

    But when do the black swans fly?

    😉

  • Roger Kemble

    The issue isn’t, keep or remove the viaducts.

    The issues are . . .
    1). Remove the viaducts and . . .
    a} Do what with the ensuing traffic snarl?
    b} Do what with the land?
    i] Sell it to Li ka Shing or [edited for unproven libellous accusations] Aquilini?
    ii] Create a proper “Quartier” plan of lasting community value.

    2). Keep the Viaduct and
    a} Deal with traffic spewing out at both ends.
    b} Create a lineal elevated park.
    c}Build two lineal living communities on the viaducts.

    Frank Ducote has some answers it’s his neighbourhood!

  • david hadaway

    Roger – exactly, and there could be other options too.

    However listen to the debased and trivial nature of the debate and despair, and it’s the same with other civic issues. I don’t know who is more to blame; the politicians, the press (not you, Frances!) or the people themselves. Whichever, it always seems to come down to simplistic conflict which will not actually change the ultimate winners, who bought the system long ago.

  • Richard

    @MB

    McCreery never asked for my advice even though at the time he claimed to be in “listening mode” at least in his on-line posts. He spent all his time telling me about his position on an issue which he really didn’t seem to be that informed about.

    One would hope that any elected candidate would make decisions free of undue influence from party insiders but lately, there is plenty of times where that just seem to be the case with NPA councillors lately. Before voting for any of them, make sure you are comfortable with insiders like developer Rob MacDonald running the city. He is raising tons of money for them with really quite over the top fundraising letters like the one Frances posted a couple of weeks ago.

  • Hugo

    Sorry for the other comment but Anton drives me nuts. She won’t give a straight answer on anything and seems to flip flop and take both sides of every issue ie bike lanes, casinos and the viaducts.

    I will vote Gregor just to make sure she doesn’t win. God help this city if she does.

    Anton has said on the record that she would like the viaducts gone and condo towers through out the area and all through Chinatown east down Hastings.

    Anton has said on the record that she wants more bike lanes and voted for them then against them and is now proposing a ‘study of them’ ???

    Anton has advocated for the casinos, taken money from the casinos and then when public outrage was high voted against them and a day later was advocating for them again??

    Anton is for the 3o + storey Cambie and Marine drive development, is for 20 + storey buildings at Oakridge and along the Cambie corridor… and has advocated for 18 + storey buildings on the Little Mountain site (that would block the view from the top of QE Park).

    All this and more!

    As for some peoples love in with McCreery and Bickerton I have none. I was at a community forum where McCreery defended Anton’s position on some of the above and then said I don’t always agree but sometimes we have to go with what our party says??? So much for independent thought!

    As for Bickerton he tries to steal the credit for the Vancouver not Vegas groups work and the work done by Sandy Garassino (who I will vote for) and NEVER gives her any credit? He comes across as an oportunist.

    No, I may not like mayor moonbeam but I would rather have the devil I know than the devil I don’t.

    As for others that stand out I will go for some NSV, COPE and 3 NPA, Sandy Garissino people who I’ve seen walking around and making an effort and really do speak their minds without fear from their ‘leader’

    Note I will vote for Gregor but I will take council, school board and parks board away from him

  • cinna mom

    One reason even the folks with lots of post secondary ed don’t vote is that the media don’t provide clear, concise, comparative descriptions on where candidates stand on various issues. We need it laid out in a systematic format: on homelessness, candidate X says and candidate Y says; on transit, candidate X says and candidate Y says, and so on and so forth. Candidates’ actual track records on issues could be laid out in similar format. I’ve seen this sort of coverage only a few times and usually in tiny neighborhood rags. How about if the big players got on board and laid all this stuff out in one place before the election?

  • david hadaway

    cinna mom

    Candidates will say anything to get elected and then tell even bigger lies to stay in power. Reporting of their promises and records is filtered through the biases of the media which, both by exagerration and omission, projects a view as distorted as a fairground mirror.

    None of us can deal with this on a large scale, most of us can make a good effort for perhaps two or three individuals. That is why we need a voting system which takes account of our capabilities and limitations.

  • MB

    @ Richard, please excuse me for trying to find a balanced council. And forgive me if I left the vastly incorrect impression that I wanna hand the keys to the city over to a blustermeister like Rob Ford … er … MacDonald.

    Vision ended up slightly less worthy of my trust with their handling of massive spot rezonings and developments over their first term with a near-absolute majority. Their bold move with bike lanes does not make up for the impression, deserved or not, they are greasing the rails for developers over neighbourhood concerns, though Michael Geller would probably disagree.

    Vision needs a stronger and more intelligent opposition than a lone, vascillating councillor. But that still means it should be given a second majority, in my opinion, because they are very empathetic to making Vancouver a much more resilient city to face the challenges ahead.

    But the neighbourhoods also deserve more respect and should be brought into real roll-up-yer-sleeves workshops to help determine a viable way to balance their concerns with development, population, environmental and economic pressures.

    And the tax system needs better public oversight. The NSV critics of STIR have touched on a very generous tax-forgivenes for developers issue that needs to be daylighted and addressed. Vision’s zeal to provide “affordable” housing via STIR must be tempered down to participating with the private sector in a fine (and maybe hard to achieve) balance between private economy and the public good to realize this otherwise admirable goal.

    Ideally the opposition would be split between NSV, COPE and NPA candidates who are able to articulate and negotiate instead of pontificate, negate and vascillate. But Vision has earned enough of my trust to mantain a majority, albeit a cautious one.

  • A Dave

    Thanks, MB.

    “Vision ended up slightly less worthy of my trust with their handling of massive spot rezonings and developments over their first term with a near-absolute majority.”

    This is the BIG issue I have with Vision, and where they’ve (mostly) lost me. But we all know the NPA wouldn’t be any better, probably worse, with developer friendly gifting. That’s why I’m starting to lean towards voting for a few from NSV. (Just wish someone like Frances would give them some airtime!)

  • Lyle Rae

    Sean Bickerton is one of the few NPA council candidates that deserves to be elected. The guy has some chutzpah and has shown that he will take a stand for what he believes is both right AND reasonable and not based on a party policy or ideology. He’s intelligent, has built and run a succesful business in the states so he also has the perspective of someone who is from here but has also spent some time in a very different environment than the left coast. Top that off with the fact that he’s kind and he keeps his cool but will put a fight when required.

  • brilliant

    @Lyle Rae 46 Absolutely. Don’t know where Hugo’s getting his info but Bickerton was very involved in Vancouver Not Vegas and in holding Concord accountable for their foot dragging on their responsibility to build the long promised False Creek park.

    Vision with their giveaways to developers and their unwillingness to listen to neighbourhoods has been the real disaster for this city.

  • Bobbie Bees

    yeah brilliant, the Wall Centre was a vision thing, right? Getting ride of all of the low income housing at Little Mountain was a vision thing.
    No wonder the NPA is circling the drain.

  • disenchanted

    No more majorities! The ‘mob rules’ have not served anyone over this last term and public engagement has been a joke. If we want real discussion on the issues we need to elect a mixed bag of ????????

  • Vesta

    I can’t believe only about 30% of Vancouverites might be voting. That’s disgusting. I became a Canadian citizen as an adult and with each election I can’t wait to vote. No wonder City Council doesn’t do enough about issues like affordable housing, if only small percentages of the electorate are trying to hold them accountable. Vancouverites who want affordable housing should get out there and vote for candidates who will fight for that.