Sounds reasonable, was a campaign promise, so sure.

I guess the questions are in the details of which there are none. To be forthcoming I would imagine…

I hate to get the tinfoil out again but these ideas all come from somewhere.
”Each local authority should enter into a dialogue with its citizens, local organizations, and private enterprises to formulate ‘a Local Agenda 21.’ Through consultation and consensus-building, local authorities would learn from citizens and from local, civic, community, business and industrial organizations and acquire the information needed for formulating the best strategies.” – Agenda 21, Chapter 28, sec 1.3
People may think this a good thing and on the surface it is,but we must be aware of how its managed and where it comes from.

These are the same louts who killed community planning, continue to enrage and exclude neighbourhood organisations, and simply never listen to neighbourhood concerns or requests–even when there is no financial ask at all!
If you really don’t want to do anything, appoint a “Task Force.” Here’s the proof. More proof will come when such a “Task Force” is chosen.

gman, “People may think this a good thing and on the surface it is,but we must be aware of how its managed and where it comes from.”

I don’t get what you are saying. What’s the link to Agenda 21 here, and what is the potential problem?

Glissy#5
There is some hope now as more states and cities wake up and have passed laws against it.At the bottom of this link are more similar stories.The list of refuseniks seems to be growing.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11592-alabama-adopts-first-official-state-ban-on-un-agenda-21

And I hope people understand that these are by-partisan efforts fighting together against Agenda 21 and ICLEI .

Waltyss
I wonder do you hate all the people on this list as much as you hate people from Alabama?
http://www.varight.com/news/the-wall-of-honor-lets-fill-it-with-communities-that-have-said-no-to-iclei/
Thanks for your well reasoned response and am looking forward to your input.

Seems to me the connection can be made to almost anything. Agenda 21 has such broad sweeping statements, you could say it influences every and any decision politicians make.

And so, ok, do we stop making decisions because the UN thinks we should make them? I don’t get the ‘conspiracy’.

And regardless, is the City’s initiative a bad one? Who cares who came up with the idea?

All that Agenda 21 stuff makes me want to crawl into my bunker and don my tin foil hat.

As for the task force, I don’t see that it’ll do much good. But, OTOH, I doubt it’ll do much harm either. I’ll take that as a win.

What a laugh! Vision Vancouvet seeking to “improve” the way they interact with residents? Maybe they envision muzzles to stop residents from expressing their opinion when a patented VV neighbourhood-buster tower is dropped on them. Of course there’s nowhere to go but up from “who are these f@#%ing hacks”.

One thing the City could do is restore the communications and outreach funding for the volunteer (CityPlan) Community Vision Implementation Committees. These budgets, capped at $10,000 per year, helped engage residents in numerous aspects of community life. For example, the RileyPark/South Cambie committee, which has managed to carry on despite the cuts (with assistance from Vancity), hosts a website http://rpscvisions.ca/; engages in planning processes (e.g. Little Mountain, Cambie Corridor, #3333 Main); initiates traffic calming (e.g. Oak and 16th); supports greening (e.g. the exceptional Seed to Sky Garden Club); helps support arts and culture (e.g. The Drift); and interlaces with other community groups (e.g. Little Mountain Neighbourhood House, Hillcrest Community Association). Restoring the budgets would allow us (and the other CityPlan Committees) to involve more residents and expand our activities.

The Council-approved budgets were eliminated by Community Services in the winter of 2010 the same week that they allocated $32,000 for a self-congratulatory post-Olympics party for City staff. It appears to many of us that the Vision Implementation Committee funding was cut because the committees, which have a “public watchdog” role under the CityPlan Terms of Reference, sometimes raise objections about how the City conducts public consultations, or adopt positions on development proposals that are at variance with the CoV administration.

Agustin#11
Fair question and I understand your first impression its not unusual.So lets look at how the city might get the ball rolling.First they need a contact in the neighborhood to help get things organized so they may look in their address book for some people who live there,these people could be Vision members they could belong to an NGO or even members of ICLEI and thats understandable.But whats important is that their onboard with the cities agenda,and that is also understandable.Now they send out flyers or whatever to generate some public intrest and set up a meeting.People show up and someone has to chair the meeting take minutes and all the other things required that the average person isnt interested in doing.Now the ringers who some might call change agents are more than likely type A personalities and will step up volunteer to do these tasks.Now say the city has a new proposal lets say to recycle cat poop.Well the ringer could suggest that they could put together a few questions for the next meeting to get a feel for the peoples opinion on this subject and arrive at some kind of consensus on this pressing subject,everyone cheers and feel like their really a part of something.So you show up at the next meeting ready to get er done.Now the first question could be something like.
“What color box would you like to put your cat poop in”
a)Blue
b)green
c)brown

Now this bothers you a little so you ask “Dont you think we should have another choice like d)none of the above.
Big mistake,all of a sudden the ringer will point you out and say “WHAT YOU DONT LIKE TO RECYCLE” You can feel the eyes burning through you and the crowd begins to mutter.So you again try to state your case and the ringer says “Look,I worked really hard on this on my own time and we only have a certain amount of time to do this,everyone here has a life you know” You try again and now the crowd starts to turn on you the anti-recycler and the ringer says “If you dont like the question you have the option not to vote.The vote takes place and its announced that “The vote is in we all decided we are for the cat poop motion” Baddabing badda boom we have a consensus. But you have been presented a false choice.This is a technique that is used more than people might think to manufacture a consensus,its a version of the Delphi Technique.Now it could be someone from city hall that comes out to do this and they bring the questions.
Now what could this have to do with A21?
Its common knowledge that A21 is real and that they are a multi-billion dollar operation.They hold meetings in exotic places and make plans for every aspect of life on the planet,they have turnouts of some 25000 people and at the last one in Rio I think there were over 3000 NGOs lined up at the trough.At the same time this took place ICLEI had their big meeting at another city not far away.
Its also common knowledge that the UN has given ICLEI the mandate implement this 300 page 40 chapter manual on how we citizens of the world will live.
Vancouver has been deeply involved with ICLEI since the beginning, all you have to do is Google ICLEI Cadman,he has been the big cheese there for a very long time.And if you look at all these initiatives that are put forth by the city many many of them were given to the city by ICLEI all you have to do is look.There are some planning books at the site I linked to and these same books are in every planning office in every members city hall around the world,It doesnt matter if its Hanoi or Hamilton they are the same books only the names have changed.
As far as the site I linked to you should read the Bio of its proprietor she is far from some conspiracy wack job.Of the over 138 members in the US that have quit ICLEI I linked to Alabama I could have just as easily linked to a small town in California,so I guess I was baiting just a little but I wasnt surprised at the result.
So I guess my position is that these are facts you can take any way you want,but to flat out call them lies or a conspiracy only means that your operating without all the facts.And I believe as a Canadian we are very capable on makeing our own decisions on what is best for us and we dont need the UN or ICLEI to push this on us with a bunch of false choices and coercion.

@gman 10 and 18.
I don’t hate people in Alabama or on this post. I do think the people in Alabama are backward and I also think that some of the people on this thread are, well, nuts. Doesn’t mean I hate them.
The link you referred people to at #7 is to some crazy lady (Rosa Foire) from northern California (aren’t they all) who is upset because some planning ordinance is not allowing her to build on her property the way she wants to and the UN is forcing Americans to use fewer resources and this is bad. So fight against anything that may restrict your freedom.
Lunatic conspiracy theory.
Kris Kristofferson probably said it best when he said that freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. A hobo is free.
When we live in community, we surrender various freedoms in order to be able to live together in relative harmony. In Vancouver for example, we surrender the right to cut down any trees on our property whenever we choose. Or we live in strata units and may even surrender the right to choose the colour of our curtains. In doing so, we trade off various curbs on our freedoms to be able to live together in relatively civilized communities and in order to be free to go about our business.
Do we get the balance right every time? We should be vigilant that governments don’t overstep their bounds.
And finally, we do make our own decisions. People are each informed by various things, some by ICLEI, some by a crazy lady in Northern California, some by comic books. And from those various threads we fashion, if not consensus, something we live with until it gets to the point that we need a change. It’s called democracy.
I realize that even to begin debating with you is like playing whack a mole. The most obvious falsehood is that the UN or ICLEI is or can force us to do anything. The don’t and they can’t.
As for the rest, gman, I hate to tell you but it is good old fashioned nutzoid conspiracy theory.

I do think the people in Alabama are backward…

Mighty provincial of you with that bigoted generalization. Any other southern states you’d like to slag wholesale?

Gman #19: so you’ve attended and observed some of the West End Mayor’s Advisory Committee meetings I see.

I voted for c) the brown box. I can’t remember why but that’s the one the speaker kept pointing to. I also second the idea of everyone wearing name tags, we know it worked out well for the Safeway cashiers. 🙂

brilliant,

I know you’re just being stupid, I won’t even bother answering.

Keep the discussion on topic, or don’t say anything.

Agustin#24
No,thank you for at least taking a look and as time goes on it may just become a lot more obvious to you. If anything can be gained from this conversation it will be that at the next meeting even the mudslingers might recognize whats happening. As for me I’m getting used to being treated like the witch LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sglyFwTjfDU

What I know is you continue to make wild assumptions about what you think I mean. Either ask me, or stop assuming.

This proposal is a campaign promise and despite your trying to link it to some shady, international plot, it’s pretty benign.

And even if we think about what he said in the past, isn’t this a good thing? The city reaching out, trying to do it different etc…. Maybe it is just lip service, and like I said there are no details. But your immediate rush to dismissal, distrust and mockery is silly.

I think some people should look at how Alabama has voted thru history before they beak off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Alabama

@gman, your point is what. Both Alabama and Mississippi are solidly in the Repug column. Were they Democratic at one time. Yes, but Democratic in the sense the George Wallace or his wife Lurleen were Democrats.
There is little or no day light between the racist segregationist intolerant Democrats of the Wallace era and the Repugs of today. Well, maybe they don’t refer to “nigras” anymore but the sentiment remains.

Thought of The Day

“Vancouver City Hall Amber Alert: Kidnapped… 4 Years Old Boy, goes by the name of ‘Priorities List’, last seen wondering outside of 12th & Cambie St., cca. Nov. 2008. REWARD offered for any information leading to the kidnappers’ capture and to the safety return of the little one.”

Yes, people. That’s the Magic Word missing from all Vision Vancouver’s activity of the past four years.
PRIORITIES!
Vision PRIORITIES did not even once overlap with the City’s NEEDS.

It was ALL… a Vision Agenda, whatever their preferred number … 3, 15 or 21.
As much as I’d like to trust this bunch of clowns, I simply can’t. That would be like trying to persuade myself into believing that Anna Nicole Smith married for love!

Forget about the ‘f#^&%*ing hacks’ the ‘democracy cubed’ the ‘RIZE’s futile public consultation/session’ or the ‘consultation was the election’.
Forget all that…, naah, I’ve tried, really, but… NOT! 🙂

What about now?
Trust them on this new “collectivist culture” approach. Ay Caramba!

Think about this:
After a full session last week, spent on the subject of … Banning the Shark Fin Soup from Vancouver restaurants… an issue they have no control over what-so-ever… so, they spent time and taxpayers money, your money, with no debate, on a subject with no merit, an issue that was brought on by none other than the only Councillor who served it as a Traditional Soup at his own wedding… Cllor “How would that make you feel?”

And nobody called them on their BS!?

Basically, what they want is, to Establish Control over what people can or can not eat in this city, alienating a certain group of people, mostly of Chinese descent, entering a jurisdiction they did not exercise in the past, not to say that without a Province wide/ Canada wide ban the whole thing is nothing but an exercise in futility.

They self appointed themselves as the Food City Police same way they appointed themselves Bike City Police in the past… everything Police.

The BEST case scenario, if banned, being that they single-handedly created a new black market for said product, in the city of Vancouver. Just stupid. There, I said it. This should stop , this is what’s wrong with this council… they have NO priorities, as they have NO Vision!
Vision Vancouver specialty!

Maybe it’s about time for this Mayor and his Vision Council to start doing their job, the job they’ve been hired to do, which is to administer the city.
Hey, in comparison, this guy looks tenfold trustworthy to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

Hard to trust this bunch with anything, eh?

We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

Glissy, my dear hasheating friend. You forgot just one thing (well, you also forgot humour but you usually do) as you went off on your tangent.
That the ban on shark fin soup must be a Delphi technique on the Agenda 21 list mandated by ICLEI and, of course, fueled by commie cells. But that probably goes without saying. the Chinese are commies and they eat shark fin soup so there is your connection. QED..

Boohoo and Waltyss…
Boy, you two complete each others sentences better than in a Abbot and Costello sketch.
FWIW, you both wouldn’t gather enough wit and clout to shoeshine Glissando’s left shoe!
But that’s for another post.

BTW, your shoes, what are they made of? Leather?
How horrible. Let’s ban that!
What did you two BBQed over the weekend you hypocrites? Vegetarian patties? Then you washed them down with soy milk and lemonade?
let me guess. Yop both recycle vigorously, yet you live … in a detached 3000 sqft house on the vancouver’s west side. The progressive side.
You compost, food scrap, yet now and then take a trip to Europe or Hawaii by plane, those horrible flying machines.
Let’s ban those. Bad for the environment.
IN fact let’s ban everything that comes into your cross hairs , how about let’s ban all kinds of food.
Have you ever seen how a cow is slaughtered?

http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3D_ZJg_z4BLy8

To me is the same thing… someone cuts their throat than lets the animal bleed to death… just like they say it happens to sharks.

Bad all around.

Now.
I saw a couple of coyotes in my neighborhood, and to me they looked mean and threatening, what do you saying boohoo and waltyss… shall we?
What I’m saying is, and here’s where I agree with Glissando’s last paragraph #37 , WTF are the city of Vancouver councilors and the mayor doing, on taxpayers money and time, not minding their real business? Eh?

Well, Ned, if boohoo and I complete each others (sic)sentences better than in a (sic) Abbot (sic) and Costello movie, at least we are amusing and we aren’t each others groupies (neither of which can be said for you and our resident doggerelist).
Thank you for telling me what I think or do or say. Some of it you got right, much you didn’t.
So you oppose the ban on shark fin soup and you are entitled to the view. It’s not the same as the kosher slaughter of a cow for the very simple reason that all or most of the cow is used while with shark fin soup, they cut off the fin and throw the shark back in the water to die. For what?
You and the doggerelist are free to believe in whatever you want. The doggerelist, together with gman, believes in conspiracy theories and that anyone who doesn’t veer to the far right is a commie or at least a commie dupe.
Is that your view too, Ned?
And, Ned, I sense a note of envy about me and my west side house (you got the area wrong, but never mind). Envy is so unbecoming, Ned.
Really.
I too agree with the doggerelist when he says that it is time for the city council to deal with administering the city. I think they are and overall they are doing a reasonable job. My garbage is picked up, my streets are paved, my community centre is in good repair, bike lanes have been an overall sucess except with the usual suspects, my street lights work. The admisistration is attempting to tackle issues of housing affordability and homelessness. Should the province be doing it? yes, but they are not and someone should. I would like my children to be able to live in this city at a price they can afford.
Are they perfect. No, they are not. Far from it but I would give them a B from where I sit.
And you know what. I think if an election were called today, they would still win in a walk.
And you know what I really like about that. That in your heart of hearts you know that and it really pisses you off: you, and the doggerelist and gman and the other NPA lovin’ City Caucus exiles.
Have a great day, Ned.

Waltyss, you’re basically just as bad. Not quite as many personal insults, but bad. Let’s shelve it and stick to the topic.

@boohoo. Does that mean we aren’t Abbot and Costello anymore?