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Rize tower chapter 2: Public opponents make arguments from sublime to ridiculous

February 29th, 2012 · 32 Comments

Night two of the public hearing got through about 50 people on the speakers list. Only two or three were in support, the rest opposed for reasons that ranged from reasonable to conspiratorial.

I heard, at various points, that the Mount Pleasant Community Plan was no longer a valid document, because it was the result of conversations with a group of people from the past and not the current community, and that it was an excellent plan solidly founded on what the community wants.

One woman said she welcomed new condos because, as a single mother and low-income renter, new condos helped her feel her rental apartment would be secure because the first-time homebuyers would decamp to buy condos instead of putting more pressure on her building. Many others said they believed allowing the Rize tower to be built in the neighbourhood would displace current residents and drive up rents.

One of the more striking presentations from the night was from designer Annabel Vaughan, who had this to say:

Good evening Mayor and council. I have lived in Mount Pleasant for twelve years; I run a small design firm; I am an activist and a voter who is passionate about citizens having a voice at the development table in their communities.

I could have spent the last 2 years fighting this development – but the thought of going up against another developer was exhausting because it is not the developers that are the enemy – the ENEMY is the flawed process that the CITY uses for rezoning large development sites.

I believe we are at a historic moment as a CITY – and that you – OUR elected council – face a huge decision – it will, in my opinion, be a defining moment of your term – you can choose to do business as usual when large developments are rolled out into existing neighbourhoods or you can step out in front of the issue and provide the leadership and VISION that you have promised US.

Until recently the majority of large rezonings have happened on brownfield sites where there was very little context to respond to BUT as the City faces the challenge of creating more density, which I believe is necessary for the sustainable evolution of our city, these large projects will be happening more and more in our neighbourhoods – REAL places like Mount Pleasant – that have context, history, AND the people + small business owners who have invested their lives in making them vibrant communities.

The current public process brings out the worst in everyone – developers and architects design projects in isolation and then land ‘spaceships’ into neighbourhoods.  The developer’s fight desperately to justify their designs, backed up by proformas demonstrating how their decisions are the only way to make any money on a site. The community is brought in AFTER the design is complete and can only react to the ‘spaceship’ – inevitably they have no alternative but to scream loudly to be heard since the project is almost finished and in process at the city.  This results in public meetings where opinions are voiced on all sides and then the Architects are asked to massage the project to address community concerns – creating design by consensus – a mediocre exercise at best – giving us buildings that are collages of public opinion but not great architecture. Council is caught in the middle mediating this mess.

I want to point out that Rize Alliance – at the direction of the City engaged the Mount Pleasant Planning Group by coming to meetings – they presented a proposal that had been under design for a couple of years, a design that had already been to the city and was supported in principle, a design that already had a proforma that justified their choices – they were not interested in engaging the community in a dialogue about what to do at this site – they were interested in selling their largely finished idea to the community. At a public meeting held in the spring of 2011 when asked about the unprecedented FSR of 6.44 for the project – Mark Ostry – a principal at Acton Ostry said that he and the developer knew they were pushing the limits on the size of the project but they decided to try for the most they could get…the massive height + size of this project was not coming as a directive from the city or the community – it was simply at the whim of the developer + his architect – this project is unfolding just as we would expect under the current model – needless to say the ‘spaceship’ has landed

Ken Greenberg – a brilliant city planner + architect has been working with a different planning model – one that puts the community + the city at the front of the development process – together they produce a wish list for these complex sites that balances community aspirations with city goals – this template is given to the developers + architects who then do what they do best – take a complex problem with constraints and make it economically viable and architecturally innovative – there is give and take in the dialogue that unfolds but it is about how to achieve the best possible outcome for everyone at the table – it is producing some of the best architecture in the country.

A year and a half ago I stood in front of council recommending the Mount Pleasant Community Plan It is a solid document that takes on the challenges of densification and the escalating pressure that our city faces in providing affordable housing and space for the production of art. Mount Pleasant has the will and the determination to make the best possible use of this site – the project in front of you tonight fails to meet our community objectives – this project represents business as usual.

I believe that the density of the proposal in front of you is about right – larger sites in our city should be able to absorb an FSR of 5 – it is the form of the development that is the problem – what I would ask council tonight is that YOU take a stand for our city and OUR neighbourhoods – send this project back to design development with stringent recommendations so that the concerns of the community can be addressed – drop the height to reflect Mount Pleasant [8-12 stories] get rid of the big box retail + the need for semi-trailer parking [the access for trucks cuts across the highly used bike lane on 10th] and kills Watson Street, reduce the parking in the building to half of the city requirement – this is a no-brainer the project is on a major transit corridor in a city aspiring to be the greenest city in the world – ­reincorporate affordable housing into the project, and find viable partners for the art space so that purpose built finished space [not shell space] can be delivered to the community or put policy in place, ahead of the project being approved, that guarantees that the CACs will be spent in Mt Pleasant on these items – and do it in a building form that is innovative, architecturally compelling and responds to the context of Mount Pleasant.

We can aspire to more – we can create a city where we are addressing concerns head on and engaging everyone to work towards the best possible solution but we can’t do it if YOU won’t fight for our RIGHT to be a part of a transparent public process.

 

 

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  • Rick

    Bang on. Very much echoes my comments in the previous article.

  • Terry M

    That’s exactly what Glissando said a few posts back!
    Is like he and Annabel Vaughan have spoken to each other!
    Very good comment.

    “Forget a moment about the Rat Race. The whole process is up side down, inside out.
    The process is rigged.

    There is no Master Plan.
    There is no Vision.
    There is no Leadership.

    Most of it, was let go, retired or fired. Only the kosher pickles stayed.

    Wouldn’t have been better if the whole process started with the end? Take the council’s naivete on ‘white’, with mayo provided by the City Planners, sprinkle neighborhood input and spices and then… go for a good sandwich developer, to put it all together for you!?
    As it stands right now, the sandwich developer serves you whatever they want you to have on… ‘white’!”

  • jolson

    “……three sites could POTENTIALLY be considered for greater height and density ……..”

    How do we arrive at this statement? Who decided which sites these are? What was the selection process? Was the public involved? What is the justification for these particular sites compared to any other sites in the City?

    In short what does this statement really mean? Isn’t this horse racing talk for “the fix is in”! Citizens have no way of agreeing to this because obviously it has no meaning, that is until the horse trading starts.

    As every auctioneer knows we start high, say 29 floors and look for support. Oh, I see some waving hands from the planning department at 19 floors. Too bad the rest of the crowd hoping for a deal at 8 floors has already been out bid! These are false hopes on the part of the crowd to think they can get a deal because this is a special site and the crowd does not have a right to expect the status quo on this one.

    Next step is the snow job. This is a “green” development! This is an assertion that deserves some attention. Apparently the reason has nothing to do with the building and everything to do with the location – bus routes! But don’t we have bus routes every where in the City? Is there something special about these particular bus routes? I think not.

    If we want to be “green” then we need to do a lot better than this! We need to actually build green buildings, buildings that replace the use of concrete and steel up to 90% (high carbon emissions materials) with rapidly renewable materials that remove carbon from the atmosphere. When it comes to horse racing this is a win, win strategy all around.

    We need to support the pioneering efforts of Vancouver Architect Michael Green who has done the engineering and is ready to build tall buildings using wood. So let us all have mindful futures. Let us see what density benefits an environmentally conscious neighborhood would be willing to bestow for a truly sustainable building.

  • MB

    Annabel Vaughan has nailed it. Just excellent comments articulated so well. I especially like her references to Mount Pleasant’s history. If council responds to her recommendations, it’s a game-changer for all other established neighbourhoods.

    A++

    Thanks for posting them, Frances.

  • MB

    @ jolson ##, I agree with your promotion of green buildings, and feel that plantation-grown and beetle-killed wood — especially glue-laminated timbers — have a large role to play.

    But I wouldn’t be so quick to eliminate concrete. Thirty-vive percent of the CO2 from natural gas kilns that makes Portland cement can be displaced with fly ash. This may seem strange because both cement and fly ash are produced by using fossil fuels, but displacing a significant portion of one with the other actually results in a net overall reduction in emissions. It is also a ‘bridge’ technique until electric induction kilns run on renewable clean sources (e.g. tidal, hydro) become affordable in future.

    Moreover, the century-plus lifetime carbon footprint of concrete should be accounted for, not just that pruduced in the initial step of making it. If the infrastructure that uses concrete results in a net decrease in emissions over the life of the structure (e.g. rapid transit structures versus freeways), then let’s not be so quick to eliminate it.

  • Moonbeam

    How DO we balance two very messy processes, Democracy/Fairness and Capitalism/Wealth?

    Annabel has addressed the problems of the “developer’s Spaceship” model of development – but is the “just tell the Developers what to do” model, the solution?

    How long will we be prepared to wait for a developer to present an acceptable solution? In the meantime, how much better is it to re-direct development out into the sprawl?

    At what point does “just tell em what to do” become “nothing at all”? Some folks WANT everything to stay just the way it is. Should that be our community priority?

    Other folks need to earn enough to drive a Mercedes – and btw – in the process provide development fees, jobs, taxpayers and new public amenities.

    Other folks want new more energy efficient, mixed use developments designed to minimize pollution and traffic.

  • Michelle S of Mt Pleasant

    I am so overwhelming appreciative of the publics intelligent and factual comments and information as to why this Development in its current form is a bad idea.

    Keep the faith Vancouver, miracles can happen and I applaud you for your efforts to stem the flow of Dictatorship by reminding City Hall that we live in a Democracy!

  • Kirk

    I loved Annabel’s comment asking council to listen to the people that elect them instead of the people that fund them.

  • sandY

    Thank you Ms. Bula for posting this and thank you Annabel for saying this. Annabel Vaughn not only provided some very strong insights into this process but also valid ways of going forward. She was thoughtful and honest, yet firm.

  • Neil

    Bravo Annabel!

    For the TLDRers, here is the thrust of her constructive criticism, reformatted slightly. (I’ve left off the non-market housing and arts space, which seem like they’d be too easily used to stall.) I hope these very well expressed ideas are spread far and wide.

    “I believe that the density of the proposal in front of you is about right – larger sites in our city should be able to absorb an FSR of 5. It is the form of the development that is the problem.

    Send this project back to design development with the following stringent requirements:

    1. Drop the height to reflect Mount Pleasant [8-12 stories, like the MP community center]

    2. Get rid of the big box retail and the need for semi-trailer parking: the access for trucks cuts across the highly used bike lane on 10th and kills Watson Street.

    3. Reduce the parking in the building to half of the city requirement. This is a no-brainer: the project is on a major transit corridor in a city aspiring to be the greenest city in the world.”

  • Chris Porter

    I agree with everything Annabel said. Would RAMP support her recommendations? The FSR would still be 5. Would the developer agree to the changes?

  • Lindsey

    @ Moonbeam – I don’t think that Annabel is proposing a “tell developers what to do model” at all. She has eloquently, and thoughtfully, laid out a system that is likely to create a more fruitful process for all stakeholders involved – including the developer.

    She uses the word template, and I think it’s an appropriate one. It’s not a rendering of what something MUST look like, but a template that has been created with more thought and detail than what might exist in something like the Mount Pleasant Community Plan. Although the template combines “community aspirations with city goals”, it is unreasonable of anyone to think it won’t be adjusted somewhat to also benefit the developer.

  • Guest

    A 10 storey version of Central St. Giles (London UK) would be quite cool on the site:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/apr/04/renzo-piano-saint-giles-architecture

  • Juliet

    Wish that we had a transcript of her answers to the Council’s questions, too: “If you had guts, you would cut the parking requirement and get rid of the big box retail”, or words to that effect. Her presentation electrified the atmosphere there, because she brought Rize in not as villains but as partners– let them do what they do well, let the community set the terms of the development. Problem solved.

  • Lewis N. Villegas

    Annabel Vaughan was great. So were a number of others. I particularly enjoyed seeing the cross-section of Mount Pleasant’s creative community.

    (Note to self: Seemed to help if you wore a wool cap).

    One speaker used her stage experience and gave an account that mixed passion with facts that was every ounce performance art. Another, talked about the point at which when a building gets higher, it does so at the price of compromising the economics of lift. Someone else leaned on the lectern and answered questions from Council in the most natural and gracious way. You could almost see the wheels turning in her wool cap.

    Night 2 showed us the talent that we have here.

    PS

    Glissy, there was the unmistakable smell of ‘cooked turkey’ at Council Chambers when I stepped in.

  • Silly Season

    I just had this very conversation at lunch today! Bravo Annabel, Glissy, et al—- thank you for so clearly articulating what so many are feeling.

    That the dog should be wagging the tail—and not the other way round.

  • Silly Season

    @Moonbeam #6.

    I would say it’s pretty clear the current methodoly isn’t working, on any level. So, why not let Mount Pleasant be the crucible for these great suggestions?

    And no where in Annabel’s notes do I see the phrases “unending public consultation” or “no hard deadlines” used.

  • Michelle S of Mt Pleasant

    Chris Porter @ #11

    I agree with everything Annabel said. Would RAMP support her recommendations? The FSR would still be 5. Would the developer agree to the changes?

    I am not sure I understand your question posted to RAMP……if you visited our website and followed us on Twitter as well are reviewed our tv and print media you would be well aware the our thought process if very on par with Annabel’s sentiments.

    We do make it very clear that we wish for the Mt Pleasant Community Plan to be implimented as it is outlined give or take some tweaking in its weak spots.

    Please understand that we are not against Development but rather for it being done correctly in the sense that it provides affordability, protects and promotes small business, is what the community wants and respects the look and feel of Mt Pleasant among things.

    Listen, we could go around and around this subject but what we need to be doing first and foremost is keep our City Hall in check and have a City Planning Department that does its job well……not as it currently operates where it seems like Developer’s are the puppet master and the Mayor is the puppet.

    Plenty of people know things can and should be run better, question is, why is this not the case?

    I hope those of you that have been involved in this conversation and that have not signed up to speak at the Public Hearing do so as your comments are intelligent, informed and you have a voice that needs to be heard.

    Educate City Hall because it seems they need to go back to school and taught how to do things properly.

  • Broadwayishome

    I believe that the city planners and developers enjoyed a period of creating developments on brownfield sites that did not require significant public engagement (Yaletown, Coal Harbour). When these sites ran out and large developments started being proposed in the midst of populated areas of the city, the developer/city planning team continued to work in the isolated manner to which they had become accustomed. This unfortunately coincided with the election of an inexperienced new mayor and council. Unfortunately it seems the council/planners/developers have not yet matured beyond responding to community concerns beyond circling the wagons, calling everyone a NIMBY, stifling democracy and forcing things through. I acknowledge that their roles are difficult and with difficult roles it sometimes takes time to find one’s way. I hope with experience and confidence they will learn that democracy and responsible governance doesn’t work the way we’ve seen land use decisions occur in Vancouver in recent years.

  • Norman

    We have come to a point with the Vision group in control where community plans no longer count, there appears to be no overall plan for the city and developers control the process. As soon as I hear that one of the other big developers has purchased a property, block-busting is soon to follow. After Mount Pleasant comes a wall of buildings down Kingsway. I am not opposed to development, but I am in favour of planning.

  • Michelle S of Mt Pleasant

    Norman @ #17

    You say you feel that Developers are in control and that citizens and the City are not, yet you are not against this Development isn’t that a bit of a contradiction especially when the facts are out there that clearly shows that this Development in it’s current form is NOT best suited for our community and that the City should not even have allowed it to reach a Public Hearing as it did NOT conform to the Mt Pleasant Community Plan!

  • boohoo

    Michelle of Mt. P,

    “…especially when the facts are out there that clearly shows that this Development in it’s current form is NOT best suited for our community…”

    The facts? Opinion is not fact. I agree the tower isn’t appropriate for a few reasons, but none of them are facts.

  • Michael Kluckner

    My comments to mayor & council (trying not to add to the length of the public hearing):

    First, Watson Street is treated insensitively. Truck loading? Watson Street is a very unusual half-block street in gridiron Vancouver and should be cherished and celebrated. This DP treats it very poorly.

    Second, a 19 storey tower would be overwhelming to the fine texture and scale of the existing community. There has been a battle over whose perspective drawings are telling the truth. I suggest that anybody wondering what 19 storeys would look like should go look at Kerrisdale, where there is a mix of 10-storey high-rises together with lower-rise buildings and houses. If you think those heights work, imagine them doubled.

    Third, there are good designs recently added to Mount Pleasant which are effectively 3.0 FSR. The rental/mixed use building at 1 Kingsway, where my daughter recently lived, is an excellent example. Its apartments relate to the street rather than being aloof from it in a vertical gated community atop a podium.

    Fourth, city residents including me are getting absolutely tired of the tower-on-podium model and see no reason why this design should escape from downtown and be rewarded here with extra density. How do these things get through the Urban Design Panel? If the panel is so stuck in its ways, perhaps it needs some new members? I’m sorry, but this building looks like Metrotown. As Witold Rybczynski asked his audience at a lecture in Vancouver last October, “Why did you want to make your city look like Singapore?”

    Fifth, the city should look to an earlier building model to reward with extra density. I believe that Anchor Point, built at Burrard and Pacific by Daon in the late 1970s, shows the way. Its 6-8 storey brick buildings are set on the street line, similar to the historic Vancouver model in Mount Pleasant and the West End; it has 465 units with an urban park within the “U” formed by the buildings. This type of project, I suggest, would see wider support in the community, would allow the developer a decent return, would make good use of a significant site at a major transit crossroads, and would distinguish the architecture of a historic neighbourhood from that of the much-overdone Downtown South/Yaletown neighbourhoods.

    I urge you to send the Rize development back to the drawing board.

  • MB

    It’s obvious that the existing community consultation policy is on trial along with this project being proposed in the heart of one of Vancouver’s most well-established neighbourhoods. It’s locus alone should be reason enough to make the extra effort to get it right.

    Whether council sends the project back to the drawing table or approves it, I would feel deflated if the consultation process does not mature.

    Kinda like paying $100 for tickets to a Coldplay concert only to have Bryan Adams walk out on stage.

  • Michelle S of Mt Pleasant

    boo hoo @ #22

    The facts? Opinion is not fact. I agree the tower isn’t appropriate for a few reasons, but none of them are facts

    Have you read the Mt Pleasant Community Plan? if you had then you would know your comment has no validity.

    My opinion is important but my comment above is a reflection of the truth based on the FACTS…….maybe you should get your FACTS straight

  • boohoo

    @24

    Your comment ‘best suited for the community’ is entirely subjective, not factual.

    I’m just pointing out a dangerous line of thinking you seem to be promoting…

  • Cameron Gray

    A central problem with the current community planning process is that it doesn’t go beyond good intentions and get to the nuts and bolts of future development. The Mt. Pleasant Community Plan reads like motherhood and apple pie. Unless the City and community develop a plan that actually spells out maximum densities, building heights, set backs, etc. and defines the massing and land use for the whole community, we will continue to see these battles fought site by site. The Mt. Pleasant Plan should have provided enough clarity e.g. the max height and density for the 3 sites identified for higher densities and taller buildings to avoid this kind of confrontation. To just identify the 3 sites as potential high rise sites is not good enough. What does that mean? Higher than 10 storeys or over 20? The City, and the community, effectively left the hard work to be done site by site; short term pain was avoided for long term agony. Council should send the planners and community back to the table to come up with a plan that provides everyone with clear direction for development that may take place anywhere in the neighbourhood. Ideally the City would prezone Mt. Pleasant; that would provide the maximum certainty for all involved, but that may be too much to hope for.

  • Kirk

    IIRC, the community plan intentionally left out hard numbers. Individual sites need a more thorough vetting, and that’s why we’re going through a public hearing now. Keep in mind, the plan had to be a document that could potentially last 20 years. And, it’s not a binding zoning document either. It’s merely a set of guidelines summarizing the wishes of the community on how they envision their neighbourhood to develop. So, yep, it does indeed read like motherhood and apple pie. But, that’s kinda the intention.

  • Cameron Gray

    Kirk – and a plan that is only motherhood and apple pie doesn’t mean much does it? What value does it have? The guidelines provide no real guidance, the directions point all over the map, and its left for the rezoning process to do the heavy lifting. The detailed planning ends up being done through permanent confrontation.

    Such plans often do more damage than good; they promote multiple interpretations and any one interpretation is someone else’s misinterpretation. A plan for a community under development pressure needs to provide clarity now, and if it goes out of date it should be redone; expecting a community plan that addresses today’s issues to remain valid for 20 years is an unreasonable expectation.

  • Kirk

    Agreed that it’d be nice if the plan included specific zoning, but that’s almost impossible to include. Just rezoning this one corner is taking forever.

    And, zoning is like winning the lottery. Land owners can become millionaires with a few signatures. So, each centimetre is fought over. That’s why it takes so long and all the lawyers come out. It really has to go to council to decide. And, that’s why it’s beyond the scope of a few volunteers, interpreting comment sheets, sitting in a windowless basement for weeks on end 🙂

    But, that said, I think having a plan has value. It lists the desires and directions that the neighbourhood is aiming for, and it gives everyone something to vet ideas against. Also, the plan acknowledges that the current system is flawed, and that’s why the upcoming neighbourhood design panel is being created to give community input much earlier in the process.

    20 years is long, but the previous Mount Pleasant plan was done about 20 years ago. My guess is that the next one won’t be anytime soon. I think there’s hope that the plan will be amended once in a while as the city changes, but I don’t believe there’s any sort of timeline. I don’t think the city can commit the resources to do it either, unfortunately.

  • Norman

    @Michelle, I said I am not against DEVELOPMENT, I said nothing about this particular development. A word can make a difference.

  • Michelle S of Mt Pleasant

    OOOps! my apologies Norman @ 20, yes you are correct, I misread your comments……tired?:(