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Once again, litter and shaggy grass becomes civic topic number one — a perennial favourite

August 9th, 2012 · 95 Comments

It must be summer when not-so-young men’s fancy turns to talking about litter and city maintenance. I hate to sound like an old codger here, but do you know how many rounds of complaints bout this I have heard in my almost two decades of covering the city.

With stunning regularity, there are uprisings of grumbling about wheatfields growing on city boulevards, overflowing trash cans and the like. Pretty much always in the summer, when things grow more and there are people out and and about than usual.

I must be very unobservant, because the city doesn’t seem any dirtier to me than usual. We here in the east side have our usual complement of abandoned mattresses and furniture, no more, no less. The grass is growing to harvesting height on the boulevards, as I have seen it so many times before, especially in crunch years when money is tight.

And yet, we seem to have a squadron of people out saying it’s all a lot worse than it used to be.

May I acquaint you with some history, culled from the 1,000-plus stories on the news database with the words “Vancouver” and “litter” (which hit a high point in 2008, with 72 stories on same just in that year, though admittedly some involved kitty litter) or “Vancouver” and “poor maintenance” and a few other combos.

Vancouver needs a good spring cleaning; A city’s cleanliness speaks to the pride of its residents, and controlling litter is an aspect of urban life we can do something aboutGeller, Michael. The Vancouver Sun [Vancouver, B.C] 16 Apr 2009

Woman says yes we can solve street litter problem; She did the job herself after city refused to install garbage bin in KitsilanoEustace, Chantal. The Vancouver Sun [Vancouver, B.C] 30 Apr 2008

Without anti-litter law, streets becoming dumps, resident says: [North Shore Edition]Bohn, Glenn. The Vancouver Sun [Vancouver, B.C] 20 Jan 2000

Crusader urges clean sweep of litter:: [Final Edition]Fralic, Shelley. The Vancouver Sun [Vancouver, B.C] 14 Apr 2005

An idea to end the litter: [Final Edition]The Province [Vancouver, B.C] 23 June 1996

Let’s get behind a spring makeover of our litter-prone city: [Final Edition]The Province [Vancouver, B.C] 15 Apr 2005

Litter rally to clean up this town, literally: [Final Edition]The Vancouver Sun [Vancouver, B.C] 24 May 2002

Litter-filled beaches a disgusting sight: [Final Edition]Carsky, S. The Province [Vancouver, B.C] 11 Aug 2000

Don’t blame homeless for messy parks: [Final Edition]Gregson, Ian. The Vancouver Sun [Vancouver, B.C] 30 Mar 1998

Taking back the neighborhood: Wet condoms and dirty syringes litter the school yard. Predatory johns and drug dealers roam the streets. Addicts shoot up in broad daylight. Finally, Strathcona residents are fighting back with neighborhood patrols: [1* Edition]Sarti, Robert. The Vancouver Sun [Vancouver, B.C] 25 Apr 1992

Parks department to review field maintenance: [Final Edition]The Vancouver Sun[Vancouver, B.C] 26 Jan 2005: B2.

COQUITLAM – After years of complaints over poor field maintenance …

 

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  • Sharon Townsend

    It would be nice if businesses would maintain their boulevards but in most cases they don’t – here’s why.

    If the owner is not on site, a staff person arrives at 9:55 to open at 10am. If you are lucky, there is a broom in the shop to sweep the sidewalk. If there is time to sweep the sidewalk – we cheer.

    Where does that sidewalk responsibility begin and end. This applies to snow removal too. Crosswalks? If the shop is on a corner, are we asking the staff to mow the boulevard on the side street too? Lawn mowers are not usually in the back of the shop.

    When you have businesses with senior management off site, or in different cities… store front maintenance beyond window cleaning is simply not on the radar.

    In some BIA jurisdictions there are ‘clean teams’ that do litter pickup, poster removal etc. They are great partnerships with the Coast Foundation which offers transition employment and skills training for people with mental health concerns.

    The landscaping side, or snow removal responsibilities are a crap shoot. Some BIAs such as South Granville employ a landscaping company to come in and clear the tree pits of suckers and try to keep some level of maintenance on the street. In many cases, these activities are discouraged because we are infringing on CUPE jurisdiction.

    There was a sidewalk sweeper purchased by the city before the Olympics – I have not seen it around in months.

  • waltyss

    @Michael Geller #48
    I like your suggestions. Also, since y9u were touting Chicago (incredible city), how do we get developers to do more interesting architecture in Vancouver (our city is embarassingly lacking in interesting architecture) and how do we get developers to support public art on their developments, as they do in Chicago?

  • Mira

    LOL, TerryM #42
    Bang on, bang on on our pal … Watanass $36 #40 #45 ! And what a good strong strapping boy name!
    W… Whaaa, no Mira, in your NDP/Vision Black List?
    I feel a bit left out, kinda disappointed, awww…
    Joke’s on you buddy boy!

  • waltyss

    Mira, honey, sorry for not including you with the others but you are truly in a category of your own as your racist postings on the What is a true Vancouverite demonstrate.
    I would not want to tarnish the others reputations (such as they are) by including someone like you with them.

  • teririch

    @waltyss:

    I do enjoy the fact that you single out certain commentors as being advid City Caucus posters while ignoring your own frequent participation on that board.

    Just pointing out the obvious.

  • Raingurl

    It was very nice to walk passed the old Pantages theatre site last night and see the new slum lord in town finally cleaned up his pile of rubble. At least that pile of crap is gone. I hope he took his rats home with him.

  • F.h.Leghorn

    @raingurl#56: Characterizing Marc Williams as a “slum lord” is unfair in the extreme. Mr. Williams fought City Hall for three years in an attempt to preserve a unique heritage landmark and lost. The City had no problem re-zoning the site for condo development.
    The real slum-lords of the DTES are groups like the Portland Hotel Society and Atira. “Activists” and poverty pimps continue to advocate for an expansion of the failed policies of the last 30 years which have created a dysfunctional welfare ghetto and open-air asylum.
    The pile of crap on the Pantages site is gone but it thrives on the sidewalks and alleys of the 100 block East Hastings.

  • Raingurl

    I classify Mr. Williams as a slum lord because he left HIS property full of garbage for well over a year. He allowed rats to live on HIS property and in turn those rats went over to the Sahota slum lord’s building, the Regent Hotel……..He is a slum lord. You say it’s unfair of me to characterize him this way but what he did to the residents was unfair. What city hall did to the residents was unfair. If that was Kerrisdale or Coal Harbour, that site would have been cleaned up within the week. I’m sorry, you can’t change my mind on this one. Mr. Williams lost me as a potential buyer for any and all of his properties. I agree with your comment about the poverty pimps. I’m not one of them, FYI.

  • Silly Season

    @Raingurl. Your comment #58

    Thank you, thank you, thank YOU! for proving again, that not everyone here is a one-dimensional cartoon figure, holding fast to absolute idealogy, in all things, regardless whether it makes sense or not!

    In this case, people who are ‘right of centre’ should hold accountable those private businesses that are not playing by the rules everyone is expected to follow as per your comments about maintaining commercial property sites. Just as those on the left (and I have met many who agree, but are too afraid to voice their disapproval) should hold those entrenched in the DTES power structure (and yes, it exists), to accounts.

  • Johnny Needles

    Dirt is green. Get used to it.

  • teririch

    @Raingurl#58:

    Although I agree with most of your comment – some of that debris, the garbage that was on that site was discarded there by others. You will see the same on other empty lots in the DTES and Lord knows, Surrey has its issues with people dumping garbage freely into empty lots. (They have a really bad problem in certain areas)

    I think this goes to the other topic on hand – general upkeep of the city.

    Sadly, people will try to get away with whatever they can and that is an issue in itself.

  • Raingurl

    Speaking of garbage and the DTES, what’s up with the sidewalks and streets down there? They’re so dusty and full of CRAP, CRAP, I say! I’d hate to say it but we need some more rain to wash that crap away! Where’s the city crews for the DTE$?

    CRAP!

  • Raingurl

    @ teririch / 60. I’ve seen people rooting through the garbage that was dumped there by others. They were rooting through garbage alongside the rats. It’s such a sad state of affairs. Vancouver is suppose to be a world class city. We’ve had a world exposition and we’ve had the Olympics yet a few blocks east of the cauldron the environment looks like there was just an earthquake or a twister. I’ll never get used to it and I shouldn’t have to……….I want to move to Strathcona, it’s such a lovely area but I would have to walk through that environment every day to get to work. It’s not clean and it’s not good for my mental health.

  • F.H.Leghorn

    One-, I say one-dimensional??? I can’t help it. I AM a cartoon figure.

  • Raingurl

    Some days I wish I was one dimensional, I’d be way thinner then. hehe :))

  • Silly Season

    F.H. Leghorn:

    Well played, sir!

  • Terry M

    OMG…
    What now Frances? deleting posts?
    how come Waltyss’s name calling makes the grade?
    no wonder that the former City caucus heckler have become the Frances Bula’s gate keeper!
    Vision operatives are all over the place.
    Disgusting.

  • Michelle

    “no wonder that the former City caucus heckler have become the Frances Bula’s gate keeper!”
    Noticed that, TerryM! What’s new?
    “What now Frances? deleting posts?”
    BTW, you talking about post#41 or $42?

  • F.H.Leghorn

    To be fair I did give the leader of the opposition a vulgar nickname (Sux). Apparently Waltyss can dish it out, but can’t take it. Like all Visionistas: no sense of humour.

  • waltyss

    Foghorn, leghorn, I did not ask for your post to be removed so I fail to see how I cannot take it. At the same time, I cannot say that I am displeased that it is gone. It had no claim to humour, just to a sick and disgusting mind.
    Terry M, you seem to believe that this site is reserved for the rabid looney right, the refugees from City Caucus. Hate to tell you, but just judging by the last vote, there are more of us of the political persuasion that you hate.
    And Terry M, would you care to show me where my “namecalling” is the qualitative equivalent of the spewings of Foghorn Leghornor his ilk.
    And talk about a scary thought police, the rabid right seems to police back on any thread to notice a deleted post.
    Actually I thought it was one of you (Foghorn Leghorn, Michelle, Terry M on Tuesday on the Bill Good Show when a female caller said the city paid for 30 people to go to the Olympics on a trade mission. When Bula pointed out that it was 7, the woman said she didn’t believe her. It certainly sounded like something a City Caucus refugee “don’t bother me with facts” brigage would say or think.

  • West End Gal

    “Whoa, whoa… mommy, the kids are mean to me, whoa, whoa…!”
    What happened, Waltyss?
    The City Caucus children are making fun of you , and you can’t stop them?
    Awww… so sad, but don’t despair, look… you have an overprotective Fabula!
    Better grow up!

  • waltyss

    @West End Gil
    Just like annoying pesky mosquitoes, the looney right is all in a dither because the sick posting of one of their number was deleted. Like mosquitoes, they are definitely annoying but ultimately of no consequence.
    Gil, your post doesn’t even make sense but what else is new.

  • Julia

    Frances, you say 7 went to the Olympics for the economic meetings on the city tab. Does that include the folks from VEC which is essentially the city tab as well?

  • brilliant

    Its kind of funny waltsyss rants about CityCaucus refugees, when he was posting there first. On the other hand its completely possible he has an advanced degree in sock puppetry.

  • Frances Bula

    @Julia. Yes, that was city and VEC people combined. I agree, anyone from VEC is essentially going on city money as well.

  • Frances Bula

    @Terry. I remove posts that I judge to be too vulgar, even for a former fisherperson like me.

  • Julia

    thanks Frances. If I recall correctly, the $100,000 price tag for Lonon was for 3-4 staff so I am assuming the delegation of 7 was more than $100,000?

    kaching.

  • Julia

    London! I hate spell check on my ipad

  • teririch

    $100,000 for 7 people works out to a cost of $14,286 per traveler. Now, I do a lot of traveling with my job and would be ‘shot’ if I dared to submit such an expense.

    My question – did the 30 co’s that went along on this junket pay for themselves or were they taxpayer subsidized?

  • Julia

    teririch #79

    It was interesting to see the tweets that came out of that trip. It was an exercise in trying to justify why they were there.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vancouver+spend+send+seven+including+mayor+Olympics+lure+London+investors/7026198/story.html

  • Silly Season

    I understand that London was offering hotel discounts of up to 60% during the Olympics, since people were staying away in droves.

    Surely, our civic leaders asked for some accomodation money back?? 😉 At the very least.

    I’m sure some intrepid reporter will be asking/FOI’ing requests for receipts and expenses.

  • teririch

    @Silly Season #81:

    I would hope that the MSM does attempt to disect the costs, but then, you have to also hope that they don’t get one of those ‘sanitized’ versions from the CoV – you know, the ones where the big black marker is used to ‘black out’ anything they don’t want the little people to see.

  • teririch

    @Julia #80

    Thanks for that. Even better; we ‘taxpayers’ paid $90,000 for 4 people to attend for 14 days and for 3 to attend 3 days.

    But I feel so relieved to learn the Mayor and Magee shared a room. to ‘help keep the costs down’. I would love to know if it was a hotel room or a penthouse or a suite or what.

    Rolls eyes.

  • Julia

    Teririch… you are missing something – Robertson is not the mayor – Magee is.

  • Ned

    I wonder…
    What would Waltyss say?
    (maybe he is … the Mayor!)
    🙂

  • waltyss

    Well, Ned, be still your beating heart, you can read what I have to say.
    Reading you guys (the haters of the rabid looney right) is entertaining in that one of you makes something up and then the others run with it as fact and build it into something totally unrelated to anything else except your nut wing hatemongering.
    Let me explain:
    If one looks on the VEC site or any news articles about the issue, it has always put forward as $100,000 for 7 , people funded by the City of Vancouver to go.
    @Julia (acknowledged Vision hater and technophobe) says at post #77 that [she] “recalls” that was for 3-4 people and then through a perversion of deductive reasoning suggests the cost was much more. No evidence, just a “recollection” that magically becomes a conclusion.
    Not to be outdone, @teririch, another Vision hater and acknowledged oiland mining industry apologist simplistically divides $100,000 by 7 and asserts that if she were to claim that for going out and apologizing for gas and oil, she would be shot.
    Of course, neither I nor she knows what the claim is made up of. It is possible, but unlikely that she is right. We know the Mayor, City Manager and the Mayor’s chief of staff were there for 3 days while VEC people were there longer. We do not know what the $100,000 was comprised of and whether it includes payment for displays, rental space or just plane fares, lodging and meals for 7 people.
    From the articles, we are told that the Mayor and his Chief of Staff shared a room. We are told from the article that $10,000 of the $100,000 was contributed by the Mayor’s office budget so we could just as easily conclude that the Mayor, his Chief of Staff and even possibly the City Manager attended for a total cost of $10,000, which anyone who knows anything about international travel at this level would consider a bargain. Having senior elected officials there is good for selling the business whether the mayor or premier’s political persuasion [And by the way, I did not hear you haters beating yourselves into a froth over the premier’s trip, even though she is clearly unqualified for anything weightier than a soundbite, but that’s another topic)
    I am not saying that it is what the $100,000 reperesents, my point is simply neither I nor you haters know; however, you haters are prepared to speculate and make things up and then beat yourselves into a self righteous indignation screaming as though your speculation is fact.
    teririch then, well accustomed to making things up as an oil industry apologist, assserts that we will get a sanitized version of any expenses under FOI. Again, I know real information is pointless and is not the object of the exercise, but section 22 (4)(h) of the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act makes it clear that “expenses incurred by the third party while travelling at the expense of a public body” which is to say the expenses of the Mayor, his Chief of Staff, or the City Manager travelling at City expense are not exempt from disclosure under FOIPPA. Again, I know that making such an application would make your lips sore and would wear out your crayons. My point is simply that the actual information (not the made up stuff) is there if you really want it.
    I appreciate that the object of the exercise is to spew your bile and to sling mud, not to debate at to whether the trip was a useful use of the taxpayers’ money, wouldn’t a few facts help?
    I appreciate that fairness has no place in it, but most fairminded people who know anything about travel particularly long distance travel, would not consider a three day round trip across 8 time zones to be a desirable “junket”; they would consider it work and even nightmarish.
    However, this is pointless because the point of your bilge is not honest debate or facts, it is to spew hate. I get it; i really too. I am simply baying at the moon for being what it is.
    And Ned, like the rest of your ilk, you are wrong. I am not the Mayor, I am the Walrus. and it is not kaching, but koo koo ka choo.

  • F.H.Polonius

    “…brevity is the soul of wit,
    And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes…”
    Hamlet Act 2 Scene 2

  • teririch

    @waltyss #86″

    Ahhh, still clinging onto you need for me to be involved with oil and gas, and as I have stated numerous times, I am attached to neither. I am not employed by now, nor have worked for that industry in the past, nor have any investment in.

    But, by your reasoning, if someone states that an article on the industry is ‘balanced’ then automatically that person is employed by oil/gas.

    Talk about a hater – turn that mirror on yourself.

    That is all you spew.

    And it is boring.

  • Mira

    terrich #88
    Forgive Waltyss, as he doesn’t know better.
    Must be hard for him to cope with the daily routine in his little office, looking out the window… looking forward to his socialist NDP boys coming into office next year. Aaahh, the parties, the spending, the vendettas, bigger contracts, expense accounts (like his local boys from VISION), bigger office, new Armani suits… meanwhile he has to fill out his time with blogs like this writing his insightful posts. Am I right?

  • waltyss

    @teririch: I know that actually reading something in the English language is difficult for you. But let me try. I never said that you worked for the oil and gas industry; I said you were an apologist for them. I stand by that.
    @Mira, sorry, but debating with racists is pointless and so I have nothing to say to you.

  • brilliant

    @waltsyss 86-thank you for the unhinged rant du jour.

  • F.H.Leghorn

    @Mira#90: Nothing wrong with Armani suits. I own three.

  • Norman

    My street is regularly cleaned with a street sweeper, potholes instantly repaired, etc. Why? Because it’s a bike route.

  • jenables

    Heh heh heh. Just LOVED reading that list of companies the vec represents. Also LOVED the part regarding the high commissioner…picturing him and Gregor rubbing elbows (let’s go for a three-peat!) Is unsurprising to say the least. Regarding garbages; let’s be realistic about them, not idealistic. I visited the Olympic village, finally. I wanted to dislike it, but….i couldn’t. At twelve thirty at night no one else is around. I thought, here’s where all the public art is! Dog poops… No walking around for ages trying to finda garbage before stuffing it (ew) into a locked dumpster (sorry!), nope, they have big belly solar powered trash compacting garbage cans here, within eyesight at all times, pretty lights, little bridges, how easy it must be to live,walk and bike around this well lit, presentation center style village, look over at the viaducts and think…ew. Those are really ugly, it’s ruining my view, and my property value and…..UGH…are those weeds?? This is unacceptable! Weeds! In our village! Our habitat if you will…we’re doing OUR part, why can’t they??

    Meanwhile…..small garbage cans disappear from bus stops around the city. The message seems to be…take your garbage on the bus with you. Hold it in your hand, or your pocket or purse, then hope you find one when you get off. It’s all part of making transit more appealing, of course, adding a little garbage to the picture seems delightfully apt. (given the general cleanliness of buses) geniuses also removed for a. time the containers that the garbage goes into so it was piled up in cages on the east side, spilling into the street. I’ve mentioned before that some areas i walk at night seem to be crazy dark..is it the streetlights, or an increase in the dead silence and darkness of unoccupied homes?
    My last observation: those reflective bumps on the road serve a purpose, so when visibility is poor, one can still see what lane they are in. Newly installed on prior….six inches away from the line? Am i the only one who is irritated by this? It’s the yellow line, and it’s at it’s worst where the road s curves and people already take liberties with opposing traffic. Is there something i am missing here?

  • West End Gal

    Removing garbage cans throughout the city, and replacing them with the Gregorbage Recycling bins may be a feast for binners … but starting that gracious day when they announced the new garbage contraptions (btw the idea was not original in the least, though they wanted to appropriate it for their own image… that of garbage, I could only assume)
    Where is all the dog shit going to go?
    On your lawns, on your car mates and in between you sandaled toes.
    So fffffff you Vision! And thanks. Not.