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Occupy Vancouver continues: businesses feel impacts; protesters reaching out; politics as usual

November 1st, 2011 · 13 Comments

The last council meeting of the Vision administration became the site for a round of political theatre Tuesday, after the Vision council pulled in staff to explain what’s going on down at the Occupy site.

The explanations were fine, but then Vision politicians couldn’t resist driving in a nail with a jackhammer, by asking all kinds of questions aimed getting staff to state the case for doing nothing. No sooner were they done then Suzanne Anton stood up to blast the mayor for having no plan.(No explanation, as usual, for what her plan is except some vague order to tell protesters to leave.)

Cue scrums out in the hallway with all and sundry, including several Occupy Vancouver protesters and more. My story, which condenses the drama considerably, here.

The main legal point of the afternoon appeared to be that police don’t want to go in anywhere without an injunction and then an order to enforce. (I’ve heard they insisted on that in previous homeless camps.)

City manager Penny Ballem said the city’s legal department is not confident a judge would grant an injunction, since they tend to give a lot of leeway to freedom-of-expression arguments unless there are problems of health and safety, destruction of private property, or criminal behaviour.

I don’t understand the fine details of these Charter arguments but council candidate Sandy Garossino, a one-time Crown prosecutor who used to job-share with Suzanne Anton, has been educating a group of us via 140-character tweets.

In the meantime, as I reported yesterday, businesses around the site are beginning to get concerned about the long-term impacts. For some, like the hotels, it’s more the traffic problems. But, ironically, the food carts that Vision Vancouver loves to brag about are among those hardest hit.

One of the evolving parts of the Occupy Vancouver camp is how the protesters are responding to this. The people I’ve talked to seem genuinely concerned that they’re having a negative impact on businesses or the general public. The Occupy tweeter put out a message this morning asking people to visit the food trucks.

Another young woman, Kaleen McNamara, who is part of the newly formed community liaison committee, also said they are going to try connecting tomorrow with groups like the Santa Claus parade, the Grey Cup festival planners, and the group that traditionally lights a menorah at Hanukkah to make sure they feel welcome at the plaza.

However, many of the protesters (I had a chance to talk to several of them because I arrived early at council to stake out my spot) also insisted that they’re not going to leave. They say that before the Occupy movements set up tents, no one paid any attention to the issues they’re talking about. (Not sure that’s completely true, but for sure, it has increased the attention.)

However, our conversation did head for rockier ground when I kept asking, “But what if your tactics and your camp end up actually turning people off your message and you alienate the general public?” Some said the public supports them, that it’s just the tabloid media that makes it sound as though there’s opposition.

But others said that, if they feel they are truly turning the public against them by continuing the camp, they’ll have to re-evaluate. However, as it now stands, those are just random opinions. Anything that happens at the camp has to be voted on by the general assembly, which is never quite the same people every day.

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  • brilliant

    “The last council meeting of the Vision administration…”

    Ah, sweet words indeed, even if you did mean “this Vision administration”.

  • Paul T.

    I still fail to understand how OccupyVancouver deserves city sponsorship to keep it peaceful, yet year after year the Pride Society has to scrounge over $80,000 for policing and civic costs.

    Both are a form of political protest.

    Why is one protest better or more worthy than the other?

    Best part is, Mayor Gregor has no problems showing up at Pride to gain political points, but seems to avoid Occupy like the plague.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Vision Vancouver.

  • F.H.Leghorn

    @Frances: Your link points to a Star story about OPSEU donating $20K worth of yurts to Occupy Toronto. I’m not complaining: one of the comments made a terrible pun about this being “the winter of our discount tents”.

  • George

    Paul T…
    I know this will come as a surprise to you, but I must agree with you on this..there does seem to be a bit of hypocrisy here.
    As you have educated me on this issue 😉 I believe you have a very good point.

    If ever there has been a movement to change society, the two biggest struggles that come to mind are the civil rights movement and the movement for the equalities of the Gay, Lesbian, Bi and Trans Community…

  • Roger Kemble

    I wont call them pricks because Frances laid into Glissie for using the appellation, even though that is what they are!

    I’m talking about the whimpering complainers, that disgruntled, mostly anonymous, vociferous minority who predictably gravitate to “kick ‘em off the bark mulch”, because they don’t know what’s good for themselves!

    I’d forgotten about Jacques Derrida until I read this . . . http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/ . . . today.
    Back in the ‘70’s Jaques Derrida was philosopher de jour who preached, among many other nonsensical fads, New Urbanism, turning good design into faux Victorianism, essentially, sentimentalizing real estate marketing.

    The article points out how we have progressed from lying to ourselves about architectural typology to lying to ourselves about financial typology.

    Which brings me to OCCUPY, and November 19.

    Mayor Gregor is wisely charting a course of compassion and constraint, maybe even cautious foresight.

    He knows their message is exposing the banksters and he know why Vancouver’s (not just Vancouver) homes are priced Uranus.

    Repeat after me, PONZI please . . .
    But fear not, you all gossip irrelevantly, while thu beautiful couple’s FIRE, money junkies, run away with your ball.

    Read the linked article: it tells you all about what Vancouver’s MSM won’t!

    You don’t need Jacques to destruct this town.

    You do it to yourselves!

  • Michelle

    George #4 and Roger #5 may disagree on a few things.
    But you both say it, in not so obvious words that Gregor Robertson is a small time crook waiting in the shadows for this election to pass, in order to deal with whatever he needs to deal with.
    Meanwhile public money are wasted on anything but what is needed in this city… like libraries, parks, day cares, hot lunches, school renovations, how many kids dosen’t have access to learning how to play a musical instrument because there is not such a program…, community centers, streets, garbage and leaves removal, parking fees which now cost an arm and a leg, sure throw some more on a separated bike lane on Dunsmuir at huge costs, than advocate for the removal of that viaduct altogether… unbelievable!
    Of course he is cautious Roger, his 1% status and super rich friends are as worried as he is and all for the same reasons. Imagine if someone exposes them, up to Hollyhock they run! LOL

  • MB

    I’ve encountered the OV encampment and roving protestors on three occasions. There was a big difference between the 3,000+ marching pairs of feet spread over six blocks three weeks ago and last weekend (and huge overflowing crowd at the VAG), which was whittled down to a couple hundred over one block. They passed by with no inconvenience to pedestrians, a minor inconvenience to car drivers (except on Georgia Street where a dozen or so sat in the middle of the road for a while), but a major inconvenience to transit users on a lot of routes interconnected with downtown.

    Their camp seemed to be well contained and fairly well maintained with not a lot of impact to the surrounding businesses, pedestrian and vehicular traffic when the occupiers weren’t marching.

    Perhaps the biggest concern the protestors should address to ensure public tolerance and acceptance is not violated is the huge city-wide impact their marches have on public transit, a mode of transporation the 1% (and a very large majority of the upper 40%) never use, yet one that is very useful and necessary to the remaining 59%. A one-hour protect march downtown causes a city-wide disruption to bus service for several hours.

    Regarding the message, I am a veteran of the old Peace Marches, and also organized mass protests at UBC, including the Great Trek of 1983 (UBC campus to the Art Gallery) to fight Bill Bennett’s unnecessary cuts to social services across BC while public megaprojects were concurrently shifted into high gear, so I am very sympathetic to the legitimacy of occupier’s cause.

    However, I am not at all sympathetic to the regular disruption of public transit service (occasional disruption would still test the patience of otherwise sympathetic bus riders), nor the occupation of Canadian bank buildings, which only serves to drive away the public and does little to address the occupation’s concern about things like the world financial situation and affordable housing.

  • MB

    @ Roger, I largely agree with your take on world finances.

    Here’s another take by George Monbiot who focuses on the issue of debt. It’s well worth a read.

    http://www.monbiot.com/2011/10/10/sounding-the-deeps/

  • Paul T.

    Next point…

    Heard a wonderful idea from Victoria today on CKNW. Apparently the city asked the Occupiers to move to make way for Christmas celebrations AND GUESS WHAT!?! THEY MOVED!

    Wasn’t this exactly what Suzanne’s motion said?

    THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED
    A. THAT a notice be sent forthwith from the City to the campers requesting an immediate removal of all structures from the Art Gallery plaza.
    B. THAT a staff team from groups including housing, engineering, community services, fire, health and police are requested to implement the removal of the structures in a peaceful manner.

    Let me remind you that Suzanne’s motion couldn’t even get a seconder from Vision/COPE to even discuss if such an idea would work here. Totally ridiculous.

  • Frances Bula

    @Paul T. Just took a quick look at the Victoria coverage, as it seems like some of the tents around the sequoia tree have been removed to let the city do Christmas stuff, but not the whole camp. Similarly, Vancouver protesters removed tents from around the fountain and to clear fire exits when city staff requested. They claim also that they want to work with other groups who have activities planned for the plaza. We don’t know yet if they will actually be willing to move more to accommodate those groups.

  • Paul T.

    From the discussion I heard today, it appears negotiations in Victoria are going well and the Occupiers understand that the city will need the entire area. Obviously that remains to be seen if it will work out. But at least Victoria is making the effort. Vancouver seems to want to inconvenience everyone else, BUT the Occupiers.

    FYI, the silence from Vision and COPE candidates on the difference between Pride and Occupy is deafening. Even their most aggressive twitterers are not saying a word. The only people who have talked about it are Sean Bickerton and Sandy Garossino.

  • Roger Kemble

    MB @ #8

    Keen says, the key to averting or curtailing a second Great Depression is to reduce the levels of private debt

    Public too IMO . . .

    I don’t thinq that is rocket science MB

  • Everyman

    @ Frances 10
    Well apaprently the Occupiers have messed up the Santa Claus Parade now, leading to a shortening of the route. There’s one great way to win friends and influence people. Who is next on their hit list, the Easter Bunny?