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Occupy Vancouver: An acid test of leadership for Robertson and Anton

October 26th, 2011 · 45 Comments

The media’s (that’s me!) relentless focus on Occupy Vancouver can be seen as a bad thing — a trivializing of all the major issues in the city that need to be discussed. I prefer to see it as a positive.

Perhaps more than 30 per cent of people will now know there’s an election campaign going on, thanks to the endless droning on by all of us about how this is going to affect the election. (I was the resident expert gabbler on no less than four media outlets today, so I know it must be a hot story.)

And frankly, given low turnouts, anything at all that will get people interested is a good thing.

The great thing about watching the mayor and Suzanne Anton respond to the Occupy Vancouver camp (should it be torn down, do they support the ideas behind it) is that this is something they haven’t had three years to think about and prepare for. It’s all happening in real time, with public opinions drifting and shifting all around them.

And we get to watch them respond. That’s quite different from, say, the Olympic Village financial mess that dominated the 2008 election, which was essentially an attack and defence related to actions that happened months previously. It was all rearguard action.

And to think, there’s more to come as events twist and turn. And we’ll get to assess how each candidate responds and whether we think it’s the right leadership style, something that I look at in tomorrow’s story with the help of SFU professor Mark Wexler.

 

 

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  • Victor

    The first test of leadership is if you should be announcing the Party’s platform to your donors before you announce it to your donors.

    Frances….do you not see what a huge conflict this is – apart from conflict of interests – developers buying of the politicians – you should be ashamed you don’t get the start of corrupting our city’s bureacracy.

    And what does it tell the Vision Vancouver supporters/volunteers?
    You matter less than all the money that can influence how we can sell off the city to the highest donor?

    Vancouver Vision supporters must have a hurt in their stomachs. Whatever happened to grass roots Gregor? 🙁
    Such a disappointment to so many

  • Richard

    Just part of the pattern over the last three years by the NPA to manufacture “problems” out of issues that really not that serious and have little or no impact on the lives of the average person in the city.

    Lets focus on the real challenges that face the city like homelessness, transportation, high housing prices and climate change instead.

  • Bobbie Bees

    Yeah, look at how good Oakland, California looks right now. Out of control cops, out of control mayor. Looks like the cops shot a Iraq war veteran in the skull with a smoke grenade. Yeah, this would look good in Vancouver prior to an election.

  • Paul T.

    BB, it’s easy to avoid. Move the tents. Even the BC Civil Liberties Association is calling for the tents to move. Time to move on.

  • spartikus

    BB, it’s easy to avoid.

    It’s also easy to avoid if the authorities preclude the “Oakland Solution” in the first place.

    Rubber bullets? Here?

    That’s an option you’d consider under consideration?

    Really?

  • Paul T.

    I’m reminded of a speech by JFK 1962 Spartikus.

    “Americans are free, in short, to disagree with the law but not to disobey it. For in a government of laws and not of men, no man, however prominent of powerful, and no mob, however unruly or boisterous, is entitled to defy a court of law. If this country should ever reach the point where any man or group of men by force or threat of force could long defy the commands of our court and our Constitution, then no law would stand free from doubt, no judge would be sure of his writ, and no citizen would be safe from his neighbours.”

    Indeed the right to protest is a very important part of both American and Canadian cultures, however there comes a limit to how much other citizens can tolerate civil disobedience. When the police move to take down the tent city, it is up to the Occupy’ers to follow direction.

  • IanS

    IMO, this Occupy situation is much worse for Robertson than it is for Anton. (Perhaps that’s stating the obvious, but I think it’s slightly different than the point Frances made in her post.)

    Like it or not, Vision’s base is much more likely to support the Occupiers or believe that the movement has some value. (One need look no further than this message board for evidence of that.) Hence, Vision’s base is more likely to take a dim view of any steps taken to remove the Occupiers against their will.

    Anton’s base, OTOH, is much more likely to support the removal of the Occupiers. Anton also has the great advantage of not actually having to do anything other than snipe from the sidelines. As a result, she can take a strong “law and order” position which will play well to her base and not have to wear the consequences, one way or the other.

    Unfortunately for Robertson, he does have to deal with the situation. As Mayor, I don’t think he can let the Occupiers stay indefinitely. In addition to health concerns and the possibility of damage to property, there is a real political downside to the continued occupation, as those who have to see the camp and who are inconvenienced by the daily blockade at George and Granville (when the weather is nice, anyway) wonder why nothing is done.

    If the Occupiers were more rational, I imagine that Robertson might want to negotiate some kind of agreement or understanding by which they disband until after the election, but come back afterwards with Vision’s tacit support. But I don’t think that’s realistic.

  • Kate

    Make it a civic fund raising event for charities . . pay $25 and you get to rip up and burn a stinky hippy tent down at the squat.

    There would be along lineup . . .

  • Peter Ladner

    There’s an interesting parallel here with the 2002 election, when a highly-charged tent city was encamped on Hastings St. sidewalk outside the then-empty Woodward’s building. Tensions were extremely high, and citizen support for the homeless was comparable to today’s support for the Occupy Vancouver cause, bylawbreaking by both groups notwithstanding.

    In 2002 the incumbent (NPA) council was thrown out and replaced by a (COPE, later to be Vision/COPE) council and mayor who many voters believed were better able to solve that particular problem.

  • spartikus

    Ooo..a quote off! 🙂

    “I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.”

    -Martin Luther King, Letter from a Birmingham Jail, 1963

    Also of interest: Vancouver (City) v. Zhang

    The by-law – which I’m not sure applies to the grounds of the Art Gallery – has been revamped since then. But it also hasn’t been determined if the revision is constitutionally sound either.

  • jesse

    I love it how we look to mayors to “solve” this issue. I don’t wonder why turnout is 30%.

  • Dan Cooper

    Paul T. quotes powerful, ultra-rich white guy John F. Kennedy, President and Commander in Chief of the United States of America, and scion of generations of powerful, ultra-rich white guys, who said in the middle of the civil rights movement, “Americans are free, in short, to disagree with the law but not to disobey it.”

    It’s a good thing that people like Martin Luther King Jr. did not listen to this kind of self-serving drivel, and went ahead and broke the law anyway.

    Looking at it from the MLK Jr. view, it seems to me the questions become whether the law that is being broken is a just or unjust one, and whether those breaking it are willing to accept the consequences of the enforcement such as arrest or violence by the police. (Also of course, whether the enforcers of the law are willing to accept the consequences of their enforcement, for example their own violence and resulting bad publicity.)

    Let’s look at some MLK Jr. quotes from http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Martin%20Luther%20King/MLKing_quotes.html

    ————–

    I have come to see that America is in danger of losing her soul, Something must happen to awaken the dozing soul of America before it is too late.
    ***
    The willingness to accept the penalty for breaking the unjust law is what makes civil disobedience a moral act and not merely an act of lawbreaking.
    ***
    One may well ask: How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others? The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
    ***
    How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that l is out of harmony with the moral law.
    ***
    An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself.
    ***
    Laws only declare rights; they do not deliver them. The oppressed must take hold of laws and transform them into effective mandates.
    ***
    Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice . . . when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress.

    ———–

    Is the law against occupying parks enforced on all equally? Likely so. It seems to me, though, there is a good argument that this group has as much right to take over one public square as the Olympic Committee (which as I understand was legally declared to be immune from Canadian civil rights law because it was an international organization) did to take over a large part of the city for a couple months. It is also worth considering the Anatole France quote, “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich and the poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.” To put it another way, the law in its majestic equality allows both the rich developer and the grocery clerk or student to make multi-thousand dollar donations and give gifts of Canucks box seats to politicians, or attend thousand dollar fundraisers where policy can be suggested or supported, while banning them both equally from occupying a park for for political purposes such as protesting laws and systems that make the ultra-rich even further ultra-rich while pushing the middle class down and leaving the poor and disabled to rot.

    So the second question, if the police do move in, are the Occupy Vancouver people – and presumably the hundreds or thousands who would come back down to support them – willing to accept arrest and potential violence, without responding with violence themselves? I hope so. But the politicians, whoever they may be, need to also understand that the only way this square is going to be cleared of protesters within a few weeks would be to send in the police and start dragging people off and ripping down their tents, with all the resulting bad visuals and very likely violence by police and protesters that would entail. Will they do it in the middle of the day when crowds may come back down to join in? Will they do it in the middle of the night as in Oakland, to avoid the crowds but sow chaos, fear and almost certain violence? As IanS alludes to, there may be a constituency that would eat up some “dirty hippy” heads being broken, but many people would be horrified. Everyone I’ve heard commenting on this – and admittedly, the people I’m around most tend to be social services providers, though all middle class professionals and not a one of them qualifying even vaguely as a hippy – have been supportive of Occupy Vancouver.

    Going back to the political race question and what this shows about leadership, to me it is just one more sign of Anton’s ridiculous flip-flopping and focusing on the unimportant. I see Robertson as doing something of the same, though to a lesser degree. At least I’m glad that Robertson is promising not to send in the police, while Anton is being mealy-mouthed about it.

  • IanS

    @spartikus #10,

    I like that quote. And, while I certainly wouldn’t want to meet you head on in a quote off, I note that the phrase “willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment” in the King passage might be the point which will permit resolution of the current situation without resulting in recent events in Oakland.

  • MB

    Where the truncheons and tear gas are loathe to tread, the coming winter rain and snow is not. There will be attrition in the encampment.

    That does not mean we as a society shouldn’t be concerned about their message. World finances (private and public economies are equally guilty of creating the situation), quality employment, local shortages of affordable housing, and injustice that creeps into the daily lives of too many are all worthy of our attention.

  • ThinkOutsideABox

    http://www.straight.com/node/501821

    “…This morning, talk around the campsite was of NPA mayoral candidate Suzanne Anton and her desire to see the tent city gone.

    And there was talk yesterday of a march on land developers for this afternoon….”

    http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Vancouver+civic+parties+promise+Asian+investment/5605274/story.html

    “…Robertson unveiled his plan at a noon fundraiser organized by developer Ian Gillespie at his Fairmont Pacific Rim Hotel. The event was attended by many of the city’s influential developers, builders and architects, including Concord Pacific’s Terry Hui and architect Greg Henriquez.

    After the announcement, the media were removed from the room so Robertson could meet with his donors…”

  • ThinkOutsideABox

    http://www.straight.com/node/501821

    “…This morning, talk around the campsite was of NPA mayoral candidate Suzanne Anton and her desire to see the tent city gone.

    And there was talk yesterday of a march on land developers for this afternoon….”

  • ThinkOutsideABox

    http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Vancouver+civic+parties+promise+Asian+investment/5605274/story.html

    “…Robertson unveiled his plan at a noon fundraiser organized by developer Ian Gillespie at his Fairmont Pacific Rim Hotel. The event was attended by many of the city’s influential developers, builders and architects, including Concord Pacific’s Terry Hui and architect Greg Henriquez.

    After the announcement, the media were removed from the room so Robertson could meet with his donors…”

  • Dan Cooper

    @ThinkOutsideABox:

    I always have to laugh, sadly, each time the politicians on council, across the political spectrum, express surprise at the very idea that anyone would possibly think they might be influenced in their decisions by donations and gifts. I noticed this came up again in the Courier’s debate this last week. Of course, if this position was correct and such things had no effect, then most of the the research in human psychology throughout history would be flat out wrong. Or to put it another way (and to pull out yet another quote) as one of my favourite authors Robert Heinlein says, these are people who, “believe that water runs downhill, but, praise God, it’ll never reach the bottom.”

  • spartikus

    I note that the phrase “willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment” in the King passage might be the point which will permit resolution of the current situation without resulting in recent events in Oakland.

    Hence the reference to Vancouver (City) v. Zhang. I’m no lawyer, but there seems to be some dispute as to whether there is a strong legal rationale for evicting the protesters:

    Law professor Dr. Bill Black says the fact that the protesters are on public land in front of the Vancouver Art Gallery means the city would have to come up with a pretty strong argument about the public good in order to violate their right to freedom of expression under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

    “The [Supreme] Court has tended to give higher protection to political expression than to some other types of expression,” he tells News1130.

    “This is, it seems to me, very clearly political expression, and therefore, based on precedent, the courts would be likely to put a pretty heavy onus on whatever level of government was trying to shut it down to show that that was a necessary step and that the limit on freedom of expression was justified.”

    That’s one man’s [learned] opinion, of course.

    And, of course, provoking a response from the authorities is sort of the point of civil disobedience, is it not? Maybe not a “get shot in the face with a rubber bullet” kind of response, but I suspect a significant portion of the Art Gallery protesters are prepared to be arrested.

    It’s more a matter of strategy, rather than law. Is there really a public inconvenience in allowing the protesters to stay? As MB suggests, would waiting for winter be the pain-free option?

    Of course, the protesters might up their game too.

  • IanS

    @spartikus #18,

    Fair point.

    And, happily, going to Court and taking legal action in response to any step to evict is also a response which would avoid the problems experiences in Oakland, which I think most of us would prefer to avoid. I’ve no doubt Joe Arvay would be happy to represent the Occupiers.

    I also agree that it’s more a matter of strategy rather than law. To that I would also add its also more a matter of politics, which was what I addressed in my original post.

    Awaiting winter might be a viable option (likely the best, IMO), though, as I suggested earlier, one which has political risks. There is a cost associated with the Occupiers’ activities and there is always the danger of health problems or property damage.

  • Hugo

    There is not a heck of a lot of things the Mayor can do without causing complete chaos which is what (NO PLAN) Anton is hoping for.

    This should not be the deciding election issue with so many other REAL issues that ar just not getting any press.

    Anton was asked what she would do by a reporter and couldn’t’ give an answer and then when pressed for an answer literally RAN AWAY!

    If running from tuff questions is what Anton’s solution is then she is not fit to be the dog catcher let alone mayor!

    More importantly if the mayor goes in with force it may cause another riot or like behaviour and Vancouver does not need another black eye on the world stage

    I don’t want to be the next Oakland California!

  • MB

    @ Sparti: “Of course, the protesters might up their game too.”

    They could. However, they need the support from outside to do this. The original protest march had about 3,000 people. There aren’t 3,000 devoted enough to camp out for weeks on end during winter, though they could show up every week or two in decreasing numbers, making the same point repeatedly.

    I was inconvenienced last Saturday trying to get through the semi-porous Howe St blockade and occupation of the TD Dark Tower. It wasn’t amusing in the least, but I felt for the wheelchair-bound protestors who were less strident to block cars than the guy dressed in a Roman centurion outfit waving a 6-foot fake spear who was goading the drivers.

    To me that’s the risk, and a pretty minor one, so maybe I’ll avoid Howe St … but it won’t stop me from going downtown, or remembering that their concerns are about making an inconvenient fuss about the serious ramifications about shaky world finances and local economic disparities.

  • Morry

    The NPA is grasping at straws if they hang their election hopes on a tent city.

  • Hans Goldberg

    All of this means, the protesters have a very valid point. A grave injustice has been perpetuated in the last 20 years. It was possible to raise a family on 1 income. Now it is almost impossible on 2. This cannot be resolved by the mayor or for that matter by the provincial government. There are no easy answers, but our ruling class has to step up and be willing to share with the rest of the citizens, promote fairness. Furthermore as a citizen of Vancouver anybody who wants to pitch a tent in front of the Art gallery has my permission.

  • spartikus

    However, they need the support from outside to do this.

    Based on conversations I saw last night on Twitter amongst participants, it looks like #occupyvancouver might be fizzling out.

    American blogger Kevin Drum had this to say about the #occupy movement in general that struck me as sage:

    As weeks drift into months, and the OWS movement continues to shun the very idea of alliance building, political action, or stronger messaging, it looks more and more as if it’s going to drift into irrelevance without accomplishing anything. Heavy-handed police action could change that, of course, but at this point it sort of looks to me as if its most promising destiny is to be v1.0 of whatever springs up in its wake. If things go well, OWS will inspire someone else to create a similar group that’s better at mobilizing public outrage, but OWS itself won’t be part of it. That’s no bad thing if it happens that way, but not what OWS’s creators were hoping for.

  • IanS

    @Spartikus #25:

    So, when this American blogger writes:

    “As weeks drift into months, and the OWS movement continues to shun the very idea of alliance building, political action, or stronger messaging, it looks more and more as if it’s going to drift into irrelevance without accomplishing anything”

    that’s “sage”.

    But when I write:

    “Unless and until the movement identifies some objectives and does something to achieve them, it’s doubtful that anything will be achieved”

    I’m “more interested in sowing doubt than actually interacting”?

  • spartikus

    You might want to review that conversation again 🙂

  • IanS

    Heh. Well, there was some stuff in the middle, yes, but it was pretty much in support of my original point.

    Which point, I take it, you now agree was “sage”? 🙂

  • spartikus

    That point was never in dispute. In fact I wrote:

    Whether that translates into policy is an open question. In many ways I share your doubts whether over the long term this will accomplish anything.

  • IanS

    I’m not sure I quite agree with your assertion that the point was never in dispute, but I take it we’re (at least now) in agreement on my original point.

    There, see? We’re interacting. 🙂

  • Bobbie Bees

    Whooooopsss.
    Looks like Oakland can’t be used as an example…..
    http://youtu.be/lQ8_BFUIiT8

  • Bobbie Bees

    Man, did Jean Quan ever do a quick about face……
    http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/10/27/355003/jean-quan-minimize-police-statement/

  • Bobbie Bees

    Yeah, I can just see Anton or Gregor wanting this directed towards them:
    http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/keiths-special-comment-oakland-mayor-jean-quan-must-repent-or-resign

  • Jacob

    I believe that this actually may help gregor. She wants to evict the campsite, but a recent poll showed that more people support the protest than dislike it. If she wants to get more popular, she must focus on what the priorities of citizens are, and the protests may actually be one. Luckily for gregor, the campsite doesn’t count as ‘street homeless’.

  • ThinkOutsideABox

    @ Dan Cooper

    Ian Gillespie has been rewarded very nicely with rezonings at a few sites from this council. The Telus Garden downtown could be worth an additional $260 million just in the residential portion alone.

    The Vision Vancouver STIR program also waives developer levies and amenity contributions for pricey market rental buildings. Then after it’s built, the developer is free to sell it off to a pension fund or some other investment body for steady cashflow.

    The public are loathe to find out about such things. But some in the media don’t think there’s much of a story there when “After the announcement, the media were removed from the room so Robertson could meet with his donors…”

    (that’s her!)

  • rf

    I can just picture the Vision campaign backroom this week.

    Mike Magee: that woman is getting some traction on this Occupy thing

    Ian Baillie: She’s really turning up the heat. What should we do?

    Magee: I think it’s time to pull out the big guns

    Marcella Munro: I agree. I was surfing for dirt last week. Be prepared to be wowed

    Ian Baillie: Wow me, Marcella! We are running to candidates that got DUI’s (one who crashed into a house). The media is giving us a free pass on that. Show me the big guns.

    Marcella Munro: Check this out! Jason Lamarche has a 4 year old blog post. His cosmo-like matrix for what he looks for in a woman is 2/15th superficial and 13/15ths rational and geniune! It’s gold, Baillee. Gold!

    Magee: I’ve got some hacks in my pocket at the Straight and CTV. Time to call in those favors I’m owed for some sweet Olympic ticket handouts!

    Baillee: Anyone want to check with the candidate/boss

    Magee: I”m the boss! It’s Gold!

    Munro: I love politics! I hope no one finds the finger square I made in grade 4. One of the quadrants asked my friend to rank the cuteness of the boy we were crushing on versus Kirk Cameron.

    Magee: Hello? Give me the CTV news room. Marcella! Get me the Georgia Straight!

  • brilliant

    IanS analysis is spot on. Anton doesn’t have to do anything, just keep highlighting how weak and inneffectual Robertson is on the issue. The usual bleeding hearts here should reflect on how the wimpy response on garbage like this leads to actions like Robertsons Riot. People realize there is no accountability, no meaningful law enforcement on nonsense like this.

  • brilliant

    @TOAB 35 Shocking isn’t it. Hopefully this will suppress true COPE voters for voting for Robertson and the other Vision candidates. Diametrically opposed to what COPE proclaims to be about.

  • MB

    Anyone who bandies about the term ‘Robertson’s Riot’ without smirking has gotta be a ‘Fuqing NPA Hack.’

  • Bobbie Bees

    Poor, poor Jason. That’s gotta make a guy squirm. Anton sure didn’t seem too happy about it.

    What the best that Anton can do? Keep telling the public that Gregor has to bring out the big guns and clear of provincial property.
    HA HA HA HA.
    I guess she only watches that MSM. No one has told her that Jean Quan, Mayor of Oakland, you know the city that serves as inspiration to Anton and how she’d deal with the protesters. Anyways it seems that poor Mrs. Quan is running so fast to distance herself from the police department and had city council pass an emergency amendment that now allows the protesters to stay in the city square.
    Too bad the Main Stream Media doesn’t have the balls to cover that.

    Nor does the Main Stream Media seem to have the balls to report that State Police and City Police in New York state are refusing to act on orders to clear the protesters.

    I guess those that own the Main Stream Media have decided that this 99% protest must be silenced. Too bad they forgot about something called the ‘internet’. I wonder if this is why we were warned about the perils of media concentration.

  • Paul Clapham

    Relentless focus on the Occupy people? Hardly. It was going on for a week and all we got was lame editorials about how the editor didn’t understand it. Nobody bothered to go down there and find out and report on that, as far as I can see. And now the relentless focus seems to be mainly on whether it should be stopped.

    There are issues here, but I don’t see the media focusing on them.

  • MB

    @ Bobby & Paul, Pete McMartin (the Sun), who is not usually noted to be a liberal-minded MSM commentor, comes out in support of the protestor’s message, both in NYC (see link below) and in yesterday’s column.

    He’ll provide more op-ed in tomorrow’s column on OWS+V and, judging from his previous opinionating, he’ll be in support of the message if not entirely the method.

    Perhaps he’ll even visit the site and talk to the occupiers directly.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Occupy+Wall+Street+fade+away+message/5498677/story.html

  • brilliant

    @MB 39 like our esteemed mayor,you don’t understand the meaning of “the buck stops here”. Especially when the whole fiasco was run at his behest.

  • Bill

    @MB 42

    Pete McMartin often has an “envy thread” in his columns so his position shouldn’t be much of a surprise.

  • JD

    people would be so stupid to vote back Robertson!! after the Olympic village fiasco, Canuck riot, tent city, BIKE lanes!! the list goes on and on…
    i’m so glad i do not live in the city of Vancouver and having no choice but to pay tons of my hard earned money to support that IDIOT’s actions!!

    good luck Gregor!!