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New day, new polls: Gregor “intelligent”; Suzanne “strong”

November 14th, 2011 · 43 Comments

And we thought this election would be boring. We’re down to the last nasty week now, with calls pouring in to newsrooms about how awful this or that party/candidate has been.

And more polls. There’s the Forum poll out this morning, which many of us on this blog were robo-called on, suggesting that Robertson and Anton are relatively close. (I don’t have it or a link to it yet, but when I do, I’ll put it up.)

There’s an Angus Reid poll out, suggesting people are sick of the Occupy Vancouver camp but that they’re not about to base their vote on that. Their numbers are Robertson: 47; Anton 27.

And some fun stuff about how people rate each of the candidates on various qualities. Read for yourself below.

KEY FINDINGS

Ø 29% have a favourable opinion of Occupy Vancouver; 64% have an unfavourable opinion

Ø 39% would set a deadline for the Occupy Vancouver protesters to vacate the lawn of the Art Gallery; 36% would seek legal action to remove the protesters; 15% would take no action and allow the protest to continue indefinitely

 

 

[VANCOUVER – Nov. 14, 2011] – Most people in the City of Vancouver hold negative views on the Occupy Vancouver protest, and three-in-four are calling for either legal action or a deadline in order to vacate the lawn of the Art Gallery, a new Angus Reid Public Opinion poll has found.

In the online survey of a representative sample of 402 adult City of Vancouver residents, only 29 per cent of respondents say they have a favourable opinion of the Occupy Vancouver protest, while 64 per cent hold an unfavourable opinion.

In addition, 39 per cent of respondents think it is time to set a deadline for the Occupy Vancouver protesters to vacate the lawn of the Art Gallery, while just over a third (36%) would prefer to seek legal action to remove the Occupy Vancouver protesters. Only 15 per cent of Vancouverites would allow the protest to continue indefinitely.

 

Two-thirds of respondents (66%) say that, if a member of the Occupy Vancouver protest were running for office in the municipal election, they would not consider voting for this person.

State of Affairs in Vancouver

Respondents were asked to rate the way the current municipal government has dealt with 12 issues. The city gets a positive review on six of them, showing the highest level of satisfaction for providing good sanitation services (77% say it has done a “very good job” or a “good job”), protecting the environment

(62%), having designated bike lanes (62%), promoting tourism to Vancouver (57%), ensuring public safety (53%), and fostering artistic and cultural activities (53%).

About two in-five Vancouverites say the current municipal government has done a good job in allowing homeowners to keep hens in backyard coops (45%), enhancing their overall quality of life (44%) and dealing with homelessness and poverty (38%). The lowest ranked issues are handling the Occupy Vancouver protests (35%), dealing with the Olympic Village situation (29%), and implementing policies to help small businesses (27%).

A quadrant analysis—which takes into account the level of satisfaction with each issue and the level of stated importance from respondents—looks at the topics that could become key vote drivers in the Nov. 19 municipal election.

Overall, the municipal government gets high marks on three issues that are particularly important to voters: sanitation services, the environment and public safety. The city also gets a positive review on three topics that are evidently not as important at this point: tourism, bike lanes and cultural activities.

Conversely, there are three important areas where the municipal government is facing criticism: enhancing quality of life, homelessness and helping small businesses. Two other topics are nearing this quadrant as the election looms: Occupy Vancouver and the Olympic Village situation.

 

Mayoral Candidate Traits

Respondents to this survey were asked to select up to six words that may describe the two main mayoral candidates in Vancouver. The results of this question are:

Gregor Robertson – Intelligent (43%), arrogant (32%), out of touch (30%), down to earth (30%), compassionate (28%), inefficient (27%)

Suzanne Anton – Arrogant (32%), out of touch (30%), intelligent (27%), boring (23%), strong (20%), uncaring (18%)

Both candidates have intelligence as one of their key characteristics, but Robertson manages a good score on two other positive traits—down to earth and compassionate—while Anton does so in only one: strong.

When asked about their preferred outcome in the municipal election, one-in-five Vancouverites (26%) are uncertain. Almost half of respondents would like to see Robertson as mayor with either a Vision Vancouver majority (29%) or no majority (18%) in council. Conversely, 27 per cent of respondents would prefer to have Anton as mayor with no majority (9%) or with a Non-Partisan Association (NPA) majority in council (18%).

Analysis

 

The group that claims to represent the “99 per cent” is now currently seen in a favourable light by just 29 per cent of Vancouverites. Most respondents in the city are calling for an end to the occupation, either through legal action or after establishing a deadline. However, while Occupy Vancouver has gained prominence as an issue in the context of the municipal election, it still trails other topics that are more important to would-be voters, such as sanitation, public safety, quality of life and the environment.

The two mayoral candidates are connecting well with their base of support, with Robertson getting high marks on character traits from women and respondents aged 18-to-34, and Anton getting her best numbers from respondents over the age of 55. Still, one-in-four Vancouverites do not have a preferred outcome in the election, suggesting that—as was the case three years ago—turnout will play a key role in the final result.

 

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  • Michael Geller

    A few surprises here…

    In case anybody cares, I’m not voting for any one party or slate. SLATE VOTING IS FOR DUMMIES!

    Here are my choices/considerations in Vancouver for the forthcoming election
    http://gellersworldtravel.blogspot.com/2011/11/slate-voting-is-for-dummies-part-2.html

  • RossK

    Gregor ‘intelligent’, Suzanne ‘strong’, and…

    …Terry tired.

    .

  • Roger Kemble

    Understandably the Hoi polloi have lost enthusiasm for OCCUPY.

    The poll is taken as the kids go off to bed.

    Unscrupulous commentators take advantage.

    Mummie and Daddie have had a tough day: they work, sometimes two shifts to keep thu banksters in the lap of luxury.

    Too busy and wiped to ask why.

    OCCUPY, inarticulate, inexperienced as they are, they are their kids.

    M & D don’t understand OCCUPY is trying to address their issues too.

    No doubt the tents will go but the issues won’t.

    That will not be the last of OCCUPY!

  • Lesli Boldt

    I think the most useful take-away from this post is that voters should ignore the polls (which Diefenbaker famously once said are for dogs) and vote with their values. Unless you’re Michael Geller of course, in which case you “mix it up” 🙂

  • brilliant

    So much for those who dumped all over the NPA poll that Jeff Lee reported-these results are almost the same.

    And Kemble rather than post the same old song you should reflect on how the Occupy squats have damaged their cause rather than help it.

  • Roger Kemble

    Temper, temper . . . temper tantrum . . .

    brilliant you ain’t!

  • brilliant

    Nothing to do with temper-more to do with tedium at your posts.

  • Hans Goldberg

    To me the poll is just fodder for the chattering class, meaningless.

  • Edward

    ‘New day, new polls: Gregor “intelligent”; Suzanne “strong”’

    Frances, you’re headline-writing like a Sun editor! 🙂

    When less than half say that Gregor is intelligent, and only 20% say Anton is strong, a better headline might have been “Vancouverites think all mayoral candidates stink”.

  • Glissando Remmy

    The Thought of The Morning

    “I know it must have hurt like hell, to be called that, but to my defense, I have to say that I personally never called Gregor… intelligent!”

    On the other hand, Suzanne… she must be strong like Vodka to put up with this Vision gang for so long. Also, munch on this: she put her slam dunk Councillor job, on the line when she threw her name in the Mayoral race. Gregor risked nothing… however, two years down the road… if elected, his Hollyhock handlers might want to stab Adrian Dix in the back for a change, LOL, if you catch my drift.

    Irony (def): Going to work by bike to $ave on $hoe$; pull the “ManOfThePeople” routine for the Vancouver $ucker’$ benefit, all while claiming Full Tran$portation Allowance, and dining in Ko$her $urrounding$ according to and in great ob$ervance of the Hollyhocki$h tradition.

    NPA F#$%ing Hacks…Costly Renos…Divorced bike lanes… Cronyism… Nepotistic Hiring… On and on and on and on and on and on…

    If these Vision punks are back in orifice after this November Election and if Gregorovitch Riotson will still be showing his crooked mug around the City Hall’s vegetable garden I’m off to Jamaica… and why not, let them pretty women… steal my money instead!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf5IP8r0gWk

    We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

  • F.H.Leghorn

    Everytin I re.

  • A Dave

    “So much for those who dumped all over the NPA poll that Jeff Lee reported – these results are almost the same.”

    49-43= 6 point differential
    47-27= 20 point differential

    Not so brilliant at math are you, brilliant?

    Still waiting for the Sun’s headline about how Anton’s support has rapidly evaporated 16 points in less than a week, you know, to show how balanced and fair they are…

  • brilliant

    LOL A Dave-suggest you read the Forum poll results regarding the mayoralty race, which for some strange reason Frances alludes tobut didn’t publish:
    Robertson 47
    Anton 42

    The Angus Reid poll is the outlier.

  • Morry

    re Remmy’s video:

    This video is no longer available because the uploader has closed their YouTube account.

    You have been turfed?

    Hey you guys I voted mostly Vision including for Mayor. @ NPA types and also included independent Garrosino. Feels good on this beautiful sunny windy day to have been ahead of the Curve.
    Even Bob Ransford agrees with me re choice for mayor.

    NPA + Anton would be bad for the City. But VISON + a few good NPAs for balance = good city government.

  • Frances Bula

    @brilliant. Did you not read my post? I said I wasn’t able to get a link to the Forum poll. If you have one, please post it. My opinion is that all the polls have problems.

    The Angus Reid poll doesn’t ask a straight voter-intention question between Robertson and Anton, so we can’t compare.

    The Forum poll is a robo-poll, takes answers from only whoever is at home and able to press the buttons in answer to automated questions.
    As far as I know, it was only done in English, as well.

    The NPA poll had a question in front of the voter-intention question that may have influenced the answer on voter intention.

  • Richard

    The bike lanes are over twice as popular as Anton. Looks like the NPA’s moratorium on safe family friendly bike lanes is both bad policy and a bad move politically.

  • Leon

    @ Bula

    Your headline speaks volumes; *about you*. More specious drivel from someone who is obviously targeting those who can’t/won’t think for themselves. Ah; the age of gilded narcissism and cynicism.

  • brilliant

    @ Frances 17-there’s a link to the poll results off Jeff Lee’s blog.

    @Richard 16-“family friendly” bike lanes, LOL you’re starting to channel Christie Clark!

  • Glissando Remmy

    Morry #14
    Re. Video, my bad, I didn’t check an old link I used before, on an older posting… here, for your joyful viewing:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hke99ovGkwY
    GR-eetings.

  • Jeff L

    @brilliant 17 – Yes there’s a link, but it doesn’t work. Yet.

  • brilliant

    @Jeff L 19-worked for downloading the pdf to my Android.

  • MB

    @ brilliant, does your Android accept Robo polls?

  • Frances Bula

    @brilliant. I kept hitting that link and it didn’t work.

  • Frances Bula

    @Leon. Most of the people who insult me like to make it clear why they think I’m a dough head. Your post is rather Delphic. In what was does posting poll results target people who can’t/won’t think for themselves? My experience has been that people on this blog are super-savvy and unlikely to be influenced by anything I post. It’s all just fodder for them to debate.

  • ThinkOutsideABox

    @ Morry 14,

    Even Bob Ransford agrees with me re choice for mayor.

    Pfffffffft. Bob Ransford is a publicist for Vision Vancouver friend, donor and recipient to signficant rezoning approvals mega-developer Westbank.

  • brilliant

    @Frances 23-click Forum Poll hyperlink in Jeff’s blog it takes you to page titled Forum Poll then click Forum Poll hyperlink half way down. Tskes you to a Postmedia wordpress page with pdf. Messy but it worked.

  • Joe Just Joe

    “My experience has been that people on this blog are super-savvy and unlikely to be influenced by anything I post. It’s all just fodder for them to debate.”

    Replace the word savvy with Stubbon and I think you’re dead on. 🙂
    And yes I’ll included myself in that assessment.

  • Frances Bula

    @brilliant, from someone who who is obviously not so brilliant sometimes. Yes, I finally figured out that I had to go down to the BOTTOM “Forum poll” in tiny, tiny letters instead of repeatedly hitting the headline that was labelled “Forum poll.” It’s linked now.

  • sv

    The Sun’s website is quite a quagmire. I read on twitter that Postmedia has just fired it digital team so perhaps we’ll see an improvement in the future.

  • Bobbie Bees

    Glissando, here’s a song to help you get ready for your trip—->
    http://youtu.be/EyGU-CJulTs

    Put your hands up over your head Glissando and gyrate those hips as your shuffle around the living room.

  • Bobbie Bees

    IS it true that Suzanne Anton is voting for Gregor in this election?

  • Brad

    First we had Abington Research with these numbers:

    Robertson: 49%
    Anton: 43%

    A 5% spread.

    Abington’s much earlier initial poll had Anton at 32% , which figure was corroborated by Justason Intelligence Research at around the same time.

    Today we have Forum Research with these numbers:

    Robertson: 47%
    Anton: 41%

    Again, similar numbers to Abington Research and the exact same 6% spread providing corroboration to Abington’s recent figures.

    BTW, Forum Research utilizes a “interactive voice response telephone survey”, which Frances calls “robo-calling’.

    Both Forum Research and Ekos utilize the same survey method and both poll nationally and provincially. In fact, Ekos was the closest to the last Toronto mayoral result with their “robo-calling”.

    Now we have Angus Reid Strategies, which unfortunately doesn’t ask a direct party or mayoral preference question but a somewhat indirect question after 4 prevous questions.

    That said, the result in terms of “election outcome preference” we have:

    Robertson: 47%
    Anton: 27%

    with only 29% overall wanting a Vision Vancouver majority council.

    Again, I think it’s a safe bet to say that Anton has been climbing in public opinion and the race will be much closer than people suggest. Alot will be determined by candidate momentum, voter motivation, and the GOTV.

    Still see Gregor winning the mayoral chair.

  • Everyman

    Interesting times indeed Frances, at least for we happy few who follow civic politics!

    Like Brad, I’d go with the two polls that seem to indicate “the big mo” is with Suzanne Anton, but I’m not sure it will put her into the mayor’s chair. A lot will depend on how many traditional NPA voters turn out. Will those who left the fold in 2008 to vote for Vision return? Will they be content merely neutering the mayor and installing a majority of opposition councillors?

    I vehemently diagree with those who over the months have dismissed the NPA slate as being all “nobodies”. Very few people who run for council are “somebodies” at the beginning. For every Carole Taylor there is a George Chow, who might be known to a few, but not the general populace.

    I’ll be very curious to see if Carr gets in. Perhaps if some COPE voters want to send a message to Vision by ignoring their council candidates, or if enough NPA voters decide to pick her in lieu of say, Lamarche.

  • Glissando Remmy

    The Thought Of The Evening

    “Bobbie Bees, Mr. Sandman called, ahemm… and asked me to send you this… again. Until you… get it!”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvIgrNVoux8

    We live in Vancouver and this keeps us busy.

  • Morry

    @ remmy. thanks .

    “On and On Anton keeps on trying but On and On Anton Wont”

    ( great theme song for these election)

  • Morry

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvIgrNVoux8

    We love it!. We loved it so much we voted for Moonbeam!

    The whole family did.

  • ccrider

    Bobby Bees #30
    Perfect!
    He will live in Jamaica and that will keep him busy.

  • Simon

    The 47-27 Reid poll is with the undecided left in. the other polls were of decided vote only. Of decided voters only, the Reid poll shows a 27 point Roberston lead.

  • Simon

    And Frances, you and others said you were polled by Forum on November 8th, but in their release they said their poll was reporting results of fielding Nov 11 and 12th. Wonder what they did with those other interviews done earlier and why they didn’t report on them too.

  • Bobbie Bees

    Thanks Glissando, but tell Mr. Sandman that his moonbeam video is just a figment of the NPA’s imagination.
    I mean, how low in reality does the NPA have to sink before they start clinging to fantasies and dreams.

    Why, here’s a song about the NPA for this election…..
    http://youtu.be/Dv37JfwmIbg

  • Simon

    Here is part of what the Toronto Star reported on Forum’s Ontario election polling. These predictions by Forum turned out to be almost all wrong, as did others they made.

    “The (Forum Research) survey suggests the Liberals would win Parkdale-High Park, an NDP stronghold for dynamo Cheri Di Novo, but lose St. Catharines, a seat held since 1977 by popular Grit Jim Bradley. As well, it forecasts the Conservatives picking up Liberal-held Kitchener-Conestoga and Kitchener Centre, but falling short in Tory Elizabeth Witmer’s long-time riding of Kitchener-Waterloo. And McGuinty himself is shown as only slightly ahead in his home riding of Ottawa South, one of the most reliably Liberal ridings in the province.”

  • Gölök Z Buday

    Doom or Gloom can’t just be the answer.
    Man, I can’t believe I said that.

  • MB

    Re: polls. Can someone wake me Sunday morning, and not before 9:00?