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Minneapolis Adventures, Part II: The Mall

June 28th, 2012 · 17 Comments

For Vancouverites, coming to Minneapolis is like radio nerds going to Signal Hill in St. John’s where Marconi sent the first wireless message or food crazies visiting Warwick, Quebec, where poutine was allegedly invented in 1957.

Because it was here in Minneapolis that the transit mall was created, in 1968, as part of the effort to bring life back into downtowns that were being sucked dry by suburbanization. It spawned a host of imitators, one of which was, in 1972, dear old Vancouver and which people  fought over for decades after.

I just finished walking down the Nicollet Mall, after an exciting bus trip to St. Paul and back, and it is eerily still like the Granville Mall, with its wide sidewalks, curving look, and buses roaring down the middle. (Makes trips on the bikeshare bikes, which are allowed on the mall, feel somewhat death-defying.)

But it has some crucial differences.

For one, no entertainment district quite like what the city has created on Granville, which has driven out many other businesses and tended to attract those that can co-exist with a nightly crowd of hard partiers at the south end. Instead, it’s pretty quiet at night, with just a light sprinkling of wanderers in the shopping section and a kind of hang-out for younger black folks (but not teens — more like 20-somethings, a couple with babies) at the north end.

Nicollet was one of the city’s primary business and shopping streets before and it remains that way. It has the major department stores, as Granville does, but also two of its tallest office towers — as though the Bentall buildings were moved over to Granville.

It also appears to have moved along faster to capitalize on the attractions of the street’s wide sidewalks.

There are several blocks just south of the department stores with a lot of pubs. But those pubs are extended onto the sidewalks quite a long way, with rows of tables and chairs that are more like what Paris does with its wide sidewalks on streets like the Champs Elysees. (Not that I am FOR ONE MOMENT asserting that Minneapolis is Paris.)

As well, there’s a several-blocks-long farmers’ market that runs from 9 to 6 every Thursday. It gave the whole street a different feel today to see people coming out of the office towers to buy strawberries or fresh peas or a bunch of daisies. That, combined with food trucks both on the mall and lined up one block over from the mall, give the whole street a festive atmosphere.

But a funny thing I’ve noticed about these lively places Minneapolis has created in various spots — walk away from those clusters and the streets are dead. (We saw the same in St. Paul tonight, where there was a salsa band playing in one square, a jazz festival in another park nearby. Both places attracted a few hundred people. But the streets in between were as empty as if they’d been evacuated.)

We’re so used to our downtown streets filled with a constant trickles of people everywhere. It’s strange to walk so many of the streets downtown here and, except for the fair-like atmosphere on the mall, they’re as empty as Winnipeg’s in a snowstorm.

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  • Jonathan Baker

    I was involved as project manager for GranvilleMall and as a trustee for Granville Island. Granville Mall was a copy of Nicolette and in the 70s Malls were all the rage. But Granville Island ran counter to all the trends. There was no separation of pedestrian and autos. The moral ofū the story can be summed up in Marlene Dietrichs advice. “Beware of followong trends. Whar looks good today will look rediculous tomorrow.

  • Frank Ducote

    Frances – not a coincidence. Nicollet Mall was the model for Granville Mall.

  • Raingurl

    The best time to enjoy Granville Street is at 8 AM on a Sunday. Try Hastings between Abbott and Main before noon on a weekend. Especially when the sun shines on the newly cleaned streets. It’s a whole different world down there when the people go to sleep.

  • gman

    Say hello to Ted Baxter and Mary for me.

  • Frank Ducote

    Gman – nice pop reference!

  • Bill Lee

    And get a photo next to the Mary Tyler Moore statue on 7th Street and the Nicollet Mall ( next to old Dayton’s Dept Store (now Macy’s as is the Bon Marche in Seattle etc. etc.). The famous hat-toss scene was filmed directly in front of Donaldson’s (defunct department store which had also bought Powers dept store) across the street.
    Talking to Target at the corp HQ there, or the large store downtown?

    See the Strib article about the 10 km of Skyways killing the city.
    “Maze of Minneapolis skyways: A dead end?”
    Article by: ERIC ROPER , Star Tribune
    Updated: January 22, 201
    http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/137828733.html

  • Westender1

    Frances, you could even ride your bike past Mary Richard’s original apartment in a house at 2104 Kenwood Avenue:

    http://www.johnweeks.com/tour/mtm/index.html

    But probably best to avoid her highrise apartment location – it seems we haven’t learned our lessons very well about the destabilizing effects of anonymous tower living:

    In 1975, Mary Tyler Moore left her exclusive Kenwood pad for a new upscale high-rise apartment in the Riverside Towers. The key features of these towers were the bright multicolor panels on the building that was supposed to cheer up and inspire people.
    The reality is that much of the 14 tower urban village never materialized. Today, the buildings are rundown, shabby, and infested with gangs. It is a modern urban ghetto that the locals call the ‘crack stack’.

  • Jay

    Westender1 – I believe there is a difference between a fragmented towers in the park set-up, and a more cohesive tower and podium set-up, with the latter creating more of a neighborhood feel. It is hard to imagine Yaletown turning into a ghetto.

    With that being said, the area around Riverside Plaza does not look that bad (at least on Google Earth street view). There is actually a pretty descent strip of retail along Cedar Ave. It’s definitely nicer than the DTES.

  • Jay

    Just to add – Maybe the problems stem more from the fact that this housing complex is surrounded by freeways and is quite isolated?

  • Silly Season

    Please throw your tam into the air for me.

  • Westender1

    Jay – Yes, I agree the ghetto outcome for Yaletown is unlikely – I didn’t write the comment about Riverside Towers, it’s a quote from the John Weeks Minneapolis tour.

    I was referring to the recent Vancouver Foundation project on social isolation:

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/whoarewe/Part+Three+Relationships+with+neighbours+polite+cordial+survey+finds/6808446/story.html

    I think many would agree that living in a 300 unit tower can create some challenges in building relationships with neighbours.

  • Peter Ladner

    Another distinctly non-YVR pedestrian feature in Minneapolis is the second-storey network of enclosed walking paths through the buildings, malls, in tunnels over streets. Seniors’ walking clubs and others use these circuits in the frigid winters. Building owners have to provide a public right of way to make this happen.

    I suspect street activity dies plenty in the big cold.

  • Roger Kemble

    . . . ditto Calgary’s +15!

  • Guest

    .. and I suppose that the seasonal variation in pedestrian traffic and or shopping behaviour may make it difficult to sustain a business on a year-round basis on the street, possibly leading to an absence of streetlife when the weather is good(?)

    I wonder similar trends are seen in Calgary or Edmonton? i.e. Does the winter climate impact the viability of year-round businesses in summer?

  • Frank Ducote

    Guest – The second coldest capital city in the world, none less than good old Ottawa, has one of the more vibrant street level unenclosed market areas in Canada, the Bywater Market. I confess I’ve only experienced it in Spring and Fall, however.

    But it also has the otherwise dreary Rideau Mall, which I suspect is quite the warm and successful respite in the winter months.

  • The Other David

    >Today, the buildings are rundown, shabby, and infested with gangs. It is a modern urban ghetto that the locals call the ‘crack stack’

    Can’t help but imagine Mary Richards, never recovering from the staff shakeup at WJM, reduced to calculating how many hits she could score by auctioning off her “M” wall hanging on eBay. “I could turn the world on with my smile at one time, gosh-darn it.”

  • Adam Fitch

    iteresting discussion on the relationship between high density housing design and community vitality and economic stability.

    But bear in mind the main difficulty in comparing Vancouver with Minneapolis is the same as comparing any Canadaian city with an American city — in the US, the social, racial and economic divisions are much greater than they are in Canada, regardless of the location. I would bet that these factors have a much greater influence on success than design does.