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Mayors appear headed for .5 per cent sales tax to fund 10 years of transit improvements

December 11th, 2014 · 83 Comments

We’ll be hearing any hour now what the final wording and funding choice is for the regional mayors, as they head into the referendum. But all indications I’ve had the past two weeks is that it’s the sales tax only, as I wrote in my Globe story.

Fuel tax is seen as a losing proposition — revenues from fuel taxes are going down, as taxes plus other car costs are pushing drivers to drive less, buy more fuel-efficient cars, etc. A regional carbon tax would suffer from the same problems.

And a vehicle levy would be seen as penalizing drivers only, not the way to win a transit referendum. As TransLink surveys have shown in the past, people who predominantly drive tend to have more negative views of TransLink, are more likely to think money is being wasted, don’t have as positive views of transit as those who actually use it, etc.

So even though a sales tax has its problems, it’s spread around in a way likely to be perceived as more equal. (Yes, I know, transit riders will now be double-paying, through fares and the sales tax.)

And it seems as though Transportation Minister Todd Stone, after a strange wobble last week that threw everyone into a panic, is back on board (pun intended) with the general idea.

So the Retail Council of B.C. likely won’t be on side with this, and Langley businesses probably won’t be unhappy. But there are no great choices.

I know the mayors’ council and many others would like to move to a total road-pricing scheme at some point, i.e. billing people for their road use based on kilometres, size of vehicle, and time of day that they past through certain congestion points. A system like that could encourage people to travel during off-peak times to save money, which is as good as building new roads in terms of creating more capacity. And there’d likely be some kind of discount for people who have to drive, because there’s no decent transit in their areas.

But all of that will take time to figure out and the mayors figured they needed a money source they can tap into instantly, so the buses can be ordered, and the planning for the Broadway subway and Surrey light rail can start.

We’ve seen the announcement of the coalition supporting this emerge. Now waiting to see who will be lining up on the No or Nitpicking about Details side.

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  • Warren12

    I believe that smell in the air is Jordan Bateman already lighting his hair on fire.

  • spartikus

    Hair on fire indeed:

    http://www.cknw.com/2014/12/11/canadian-taxpayers-federation-announces-no-translink-tax-campaign/

    No mention of how Translink has been hamstrung/kneecapped by Victoria. And his & the CTF’s silence on the boondoggles of things closer to the B.C. Liberals is noted.

  • Warren12

    The CTF sounds like a shill organization for big business. They are far from transparent themselves.

  • spartikus

    A history of the CTF: http://pushedleft.blogspot.ca/2009/10/jason-kenney-and-canadian-taxpayers.html

  • Kirk

    So, if I buy a beer, I have to subsidize Translink. But, someone who buys a $5000 bicycle does not.

  • Tiktaalik

    Huh why wouldn’t the expensive bicycle buyer have to pay? Or are you assuming they’re buying online, or in the USA, etc..?

  • Tiktaalik

    Add ¢1.5 to your daily Americano for not terrible transit. I’m ok with this.

    (It’s Vancouver, surely you’re buying the $3 premium stuff)

  • Kirk

    The proposed tax sounds like it’ll tack onto the PST, and bicycles are PST exempt. I’m tired of subsidizing those people! They blow through stop signs!

  • Internet made me obsolete

    If an increase in the sales tax is such a great idea, why didn’t any of them campaign on that policy?

  • Warren12

    Look at this list of exemptions: What a bunch of freeloaders… oh the humanity!!!

    The following PST exemptions are available to all purchasers. Purchasers don’t need to do anything to get the exemption.

    food for human consumption (e.g. basic groceries and prepared food such as restaurant meals)

    books, newspapers and magazines

    children-sized clothing

    bicycles

    prescription medications and household medical aids such as cough syrup and pain medications

  • boohoo

    The real question is what’s the cost of saying no. No one wants to talk about that. It’s easy to say ‘no new taxes’, but then what.

    I’ll happily pay 0.5% more PST if it means improved infrastructure for all reduced congestion, etc etc. If I say no, I’ll be paying a lot more than that over time.

  • Chris Keam

    Does anyone know if voting privileges be limited to Canadian citizens only? Seems like the kind of issue where permanent resident status should suffice.

  • Chris Keam

    Shouldn’t you be angry with the current Liberal gov’t not campaigning on the idea? They hold the power over transit funding.

  • Internet made me obsolete

    I thought the whole idea of a referendum was to give the power to the electorate, thus giving the politicians plausible deniability for any tax increase.
    “You asked for it, you got it, sell your Toyota”.
    I’m not angry at any of them. They all lived down to my expectations.

  • Chris Keam

    Oh, my mistake. The content of your post made me think you were in favour of principled leadership and honest campaigning for all politicians.

  • IanS

    Under section 4 of the regulations to the Referendum Act, “An individual is entitled to vote in the referendum voting for an electoral district
    if the individual is entitled to vote in the election for the electoral district”.

    Under section 29 of the Election Act, in order to vote, an individual must
    (a) be a Canadian citizen, (b) be 18 years of age or older on general voting day for the election, (c) be a resident of the electoral district, (d)
    have been a resident of British Columbia for at least 6 months immediately before general voting day for the election, (e) be registered as a voter for the electoral district or register as such in conjunction with voting, and (f) not be disqualified by this Act or any other enactment from voting in the election or be otherwise disqualified by law.

    My read is that the only people entitled to vote will be a subset of Canadian citizens, ie. those that meet the requirement of the Election Act.

  • Tiktaalik

    I wonder if little dog sweaters counts as “children-sized clothing.”

  • Chris Keam

    What a broken system.

  • Warren12

    Yes it should be framed with “more of the same and no end in sight”. Traveling over the Patullo will be a lottery with dozens of “winners” when it collapses.

  • boohoo

    It won’t even be more of the same, it will be worse. Saying no now doesn’t just keep us at the broken status quo, it makes things worse for everyone.

    No one wants to pay more tax, but I don’t know how you vote no on this.

  • Dan Cooper

    I have a big mug that I bought for $3 (first fill included) at the Pilot truck stop north of Bellingham, and 7-11 happily tops it up for me for one buck plus tax. Of course, usually I just make my own at home with my big can of whatever-is-on-sale…currently MJB.

    Still, I take your point and absolutely agree. Because of how the provinciales have framed and limited the options, this is the only way out. So, let’s do it!

  • Dan Cooper

    My main impression of them is that they are simply in it to pay their own salaries by riling people up so they will give money without actually becoming members. The CTF is not in any way an actual federation, but essentially a privately held corporation that ‘sells’ outrage. Be it said, news media love this kind of organization and do not care how they are organized, because they are always easily available for a pithy and reliable quote. Remember that most news organizations are also in the business of paying their owners and investors by ‘selling’ whatever will draw eyes and ears; and outrage works very well for them, too.

  • Dan Cooper

    The mayors didn’t want a referendum, and didn’t ask for a referendum; it was forced on them. What’s more, the provincial government put severe limits on what they could ask for. So of COURSE they did not campaign on/for this; it’s just more or less the only thing they can do other than simply throw transit in the trash can, sit back, and watch while the provincial government builds toll bridge after toll bridge and freeway after freeway, without of course any shilly shallying around with a (ridiculous) vote. Be it said, Christie Clark DID state as part of her campaign that she would put this to a vote, and the voters re-elected her. So, feel free to address any complaints to her and those who voted for her, not to the mayors on whom she then simply dumped the problem.

  • rowbat

    I’m gobsmacked that 0.5% is enough!

    Do a quick tally of what you spend a month on PST-generating purchases. Mortgage payment? No. Rent? No. Food? No. Electricity, gas, basic cable? No. Coffee, restaurants, haircuts, dentist, prescription drugs, kids’ clothing? No.

    Hmm. Anyway, do add it up…and then divide it by 200. Gasoline of course will go up by about 2/3 of a cent a litre – make sure you notice it when it happens (your fill-up will be costing you 40 cents more) – and a $20 bottle of wine will set you back an extra dime. The extra dollar on a $200 sweater will start to hurt, but no one said this would be painless. As for the extra $150 on a $30 000 car – if you can hang on to your old, paid-for, car for an extra 10 days, that should just about cover it.

    I shouldn’t make light of tax increases, but this one seems to give pretty good value.

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    This is going to be a doozie! Memories are short, but not too long ago the voters here rejected the GST and drove the sales tax back down closer to realistic levels. Memories are short, but is not a sales tax a so-called regressive tax?

    My pet peeve is taxation without representation and that is more or less where i see Translink. Let’s first set up regional elected government and then talk about new taxes!

    Finally, there are the quirky things to take into account. The Evergreen Line had road right-of-way reserved but opted to go a different way and build—3x more expensive—skytrain than a surface transit option. Who made that decision, and how many more tax dollars is that costing?

  • Richard Campbell

    The Provincial Government, you know the one that is democratically elected.

    SkyTrain ended up not costing that much more. When the extra capacity of the system as funded is taken into account, it is a better deal. Which is why the Province made the decision to go with SkyTrain.

  • spartikus

    That’s pretty much what my link below says. Most of their staff are salespeople paid on commission who seek new members and their entrance fees. And members don’t vote on the CTF’s positions. That’s all done in secret by the appointed leadership.

  • IanS

    After thinking about it, I’m of two minds about this referendum process.

    On one had, It displays a complete abrogation of political leadership on the issue. If various levels of government think that raising funds for more transit is a good idea, they should campaign on that basis and then implement that policy if elected, rather than essentially washing their hands of it by putting it to a referendum. That’s directed primarily, though not exclusively, at the Liberals.

    It also makes no sense to put transit expansion to such a referendum, but not other major transportation projects, as has been pointed out by others.

    On the other hand, I like the fact that the process identifies the proposed transit improvements, puts a cost to them and then proposes a specific tax measure to cover those costs. I think, on the whole, it’s useful for people to see the costs of such projects, and the related tax consequences, in deciding whether to proceed with them.

    On the other hand (perhaps I’m of three minds), as we recently experienced, resolving financial or taxation matters by referendum is a process likely to yield a stupid result.

    Personally, I’m happy to vote in favour of the referendum and hope it passes. A .5% increase in PST seems a small price to pay for the proposed transit benefits.

  • Sharon Townsend

    Business owners in the region cannot vote either – but pay taxes. Broken system indeed.

  • Chris Keam

    I don’t believe voting rights based upon property/business holdings are a good idea. Generally speaking, most democracies also take that stance. Business owners, if they fall into Ian’s categories described above, will get to vote.

  • Internet made me obsolete

    So the same people that lied to you about everything else are to believed when they hold out a slice of “reduced congestion” pie-in-the-sky? The proposed benefits are just that: proposed. They’re nothing more than a sales job and any benefit will accrue largely to the developers that plan to put condo racks above subway stations.
    People will only leave their cars at home if transit is affordable, reliable and practical. So far Translink has failed repeatedly on all three. If fuel prices drop any further people will drive more for the same cost, increasing “congestion”.
    Typical Vancouverite delusion: I’m not causing traffic gridlock, it’s all those other drivers, so the government should find a mountain of money somewhere to make my commute easier.

  • Chris Keam

    Mt Pleasant to downtown today – 20 min and $2.75. Regularly travel from Burnaby to Granville Island in 45 min for $4.
    Deepest darkest East Burnaby to Commercial and Broadway at 9pm last Sunday night, less than an hour, $2.75. If you plan your trips and do your homework, transit in Metro Vancouver is generally quite good. What routes are you riding that it isn’t reliable, practical, and affordable?

  • Internet made me obsolete

    That 45 minutes to an hour (plus wait-time in the rain) costs me $200. Let’s say I commute both ways daily, soon you’re talking real money. Sooner stay home, deal with clients over the Net and make that billable time rather than wasted time in the company of people I would otherwise avoid.

  • Chris Keam

    False comparison. How long does it take in a car and how much would it cost for you to go from your home to a regular destination in your day-to-day life? It’s cheaper and easier for me to walk to my desk in my house too, but sometimes circumstances dictate we venture out into the world.

  • Internet made me obsolete

    Cars are stupid and costly, but everybody loves them anyway. Particularly when they’re walking home on the guideway (don’t touch that rail).

  • IanS

    Not my categories. I was just quoting the relevant legislation and regulations.

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    “The extra capacity in the system”

    Richard Campbell

    Subsidiarity suggests that better decisions result when the decision makers are closer to the place being affected. I vote at every provincial election, as I am sure you do, but I am looking forward to the day when we can elect Regional Councillors to handle sustainability issues that cross municipal boundaries but not provincial ones. Like waste treatment, renewable energy, transit, and regional growth strategies.

    As for capacity of skytrain (or subway) over tram or BRT (not B-line, mind you, but BRT-trolleys on dedicated lanes, with signal priority and pre-paid boarding)…. Let’s do a comparison.

    Olympic Tram
    20,000 bpd (boardings per day)
    5 – 10 minute headway (frequency of trams)
    1.1 billion to build Comm/Broadway-UBC (Translink report)

    Skytrain – Millenium + Expo lines (2011)
    289,460 bpd
    1.5 minute headway
    [I don’t have a reliable cost figure per km for the Evergreeen]

    Canada Line (Cambie subway)
    136,000 bpd
    1.5 headway
    3.1 billion to build Comm/Broadway-UBC (Translink report)

    Olympic Tram – operational

    Let’s have some modifications to the demonstration project:

    40,000 bpd at 3 – 5 minute headways
    80,000 bpd with double cars
    160,000 bpd with 1.5 minute headways & double cars

    The “extra capacity” has just evaporated. A tram or BRT can match the level of service of grade separated transit. But that’s not all.

    The time advantage also disappears when we add the time it takes to get to the platform of a grade-separated system and compare it to a system that can run as part of an enhanced pedestrian realm:

    Translink reports:
    20 minutes – estimated time Broadway – UBC (subway or skytrain)
    26 minutes – for tram
    45 minutes – for 99 B-line (it deserves a failing grade, not a ‘B’)

    However, what is the average time it takes to get to the platform in the subway or the skytrain? 5 minutes is a safe bet. Then, there is an additional 5 minutes on the other side.

    Did I mention the on-the-surface advantage? Let’s look at Cambie Village—no, really, let’s look at it no matter how ugly it has turned out to be!

    Six lanes (2 lanes parking)
    – 56-feet curb to curb distance.
    – 2 sidewalks; 12 feet wide.
    – 30 – 70 split between pedestrians and cars in the public right of way.

    Pedestrians are clearly second class citizens in Cambie Village.

    Then there is this fact to consider: Canada Line has to make the Downtown-YVR run in 20 minutes.

    This is the reason used to explain why there are not 2 or 3 more stops on Cambie that might make it possible to take the Cambie local service off the road, then double the space allotted to pedestrians.

    This is supposed to be “common sense” transportation planning: upgrade the technology; improve local service; free up space on the street for neighbourhood social functioning.

    In order to save 6 minutes from the YVR-Downtown trip, we deny Cambie Village—and one or two other locations along the way that are still built with single family houses—access to subway for local service.

    Is that good governance? Because it sure does not make sense in terms of good urban design.

  • Chris Keam

    Strike Two. Let’s try one more time.

    What routes are you riding that transit isn’t reliable, practical, and affordable?

  • Richard Campbell

    The nonsense is rather tiresome. It does not take an extra 5 minutes to access an underground station. I actually timed the access to Burrard which is on of the deepest in the system and it is only 90 seconds or so.

    In you cost calculations you are forgetting that extra capacity requires extra trains and a place to store the trains. And as street level transit is slower, more trains are needed to provide the same capacity as underground.

    For example, for the LRT to provide the same capacity as the $3.1 billion SkyTrain, the extra vehicles and storage space would cost around $400 million bringing the total cost to $1.5 billion.

    The reason why this was not included is because ridership
    Would be much lower for the LRT due to the slower speed and the forced transfer at Commercial.

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    You can revert to name-calling and deriding analysis as ‘tiresome’. Most Vancouverites hate the train in the sky. Period.

    I am not a transportation engineer, but I have ridden systems in Milan, Zurich, Grenoble and Amsterdam that perform miracles in environments much like Vancouver (but not Paris and not NYC—we are not there yet).

    How do you explain the fiasco on Cambie? I don’t mean closing down the street for 3 years and bankrupting just about every business there. I mean what we have there today—six lanes and a local trolley service with a subway running just below the street at half-capacity at best.

    Who were the folks that figured all that out? I’d like to put to them this question:

    Why does not Cambie Village feel and function like a ‘village’? Why does it feel and function like a 6-lane open traffic ‘sewer’ instead?

    The big question is not about the ‘technology’ to use for transit. The big question is about ‘the resulting quality of the neighbourhood’.

    In that category Translink has been a big ‘looser’ in our region. Time to change all that.

  • Chris Keam

    “Most Vancouverites hate the train in the sky. Period.”

    Prove it.

  • Gulley

    Having taken a job recently that requires me to take the skytrain from downtown to Surrey Central regularly, I can say with certainty skytrain the most pleasant way to take transit I’ve ever experienced. The views are always interesting. It’s faster than driving. I count myself lucky every day that this is the way I get to commute 30+ km each direction. Why shouldn’t transit riders get a genuinely superior experience, compared to driving?

  • Richard Campbell

    First of all, there was no name calling in my comment.

    It would be great if you did take the time to do at least a big of research on your posts. It does not help your cause to make statements that are incorrect nor does it serve the public dialog.

    One doesn’t need to be a transportation engineer to time the access time to a transit station. Anyone with a watch or a moble phone can do it.

    LRT construction would have been no better for the businesses along Cambie. It is easy to find examples of streets being torn up for years during LRT construction.

    Cambie being a “traffic sewer” is not TransLinks fault. The city council at the time headed by Mayor Sullivan refused to take space away from traffic for bike lanes or wider sidewalks.

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    So, are you a transportation engineer?

    “Tiresome” is tantamount to name-calling. It is not an adjective that describes a concrete and verifiable quantity. Your rant about “taking time to do at leas a bi[t] of research” similarly is a needless comment.

    I ride the Skytrain to Granville (the Bay store), then get out and walk to Canada line at the TD tower—a connection suggested to me by Translink officials BTW.

    The walk from the skytrain stop at Granville to the sidewalk is 5 minutes long—though I have never bothered to measure it. Then, there is the “correspondence” [Paris subway lingo] to switch to the Canada line. That one is more than 5 minutes. Both are in the very heart of our city.

    I am not suggesting LRT on Cambie. I think that the subway is the right way to connect an airport with a city center (both Seattle and Toronto get that wrong).

    My point about Cambie Village is that additional stops on the Cambie subway would have made it possible to REMOVE local bus service from Cambie and make Cambie Village more people friendly.

    Cambie Village has six lanes, compared to say Robson with 4 lanes and parking off-peak.

    But here we do agree…

    Cambie being a “traffic sewer” is not TransLinks fault. The city council at the time headed by Mayor Sullivan refused to take space away from traffic for bike lanes or wider sidewalks.

    My point is that rather than giving the Mayors a $0.05 share of the sales tax, we should implement an accountable level of government at the regional level to rule over the decisions on regional transit.

    That’s the way it is done in Portland and Toronto, to name two. Portland Metro government ran a kind of “beauty contest” among the municipalities in the region to see who would get the next whack of transit dollars.

    The winner was Tigard that proposed taking their “open traffic sewer” of a main street and revitalize it as an urban spine carrying surface LRT.

  • Chris Keam

    “The walk from the skytrain stop at Granville to the sidewalk is 5 minutes long—though I have never bothered to measure it.”

    I LOL’ed. C’mon Lewis, you claim you’re not a transportation engineer but can have a very pronounced opinion on transit, yet demand others show their qualifications?

    All your solutions seem to rely on stuff that won’t happen, isn’t likely to happen in the future, and people exhibiting a profound shift in their attitudes. You should go into bike advocacy. You’ll feel right at home. 😉

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    Problem is with the people that are down below. Why should the trains block the sky??

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    My area is urban design… we ride transit, we think about transit, but we are not transit engineers. Chris what do you do?

    Of course the fact I’m not a transit wonk doesn’t mean that I don’t have an opinion on transit. Yeah, the walk from Granville Skytrain to the sidewalk is very long. Round a corner past a news stand shop; up an escalator; past the ticket gates; into a corridor of the Pacific Centre Mall; past some fast food vendors and windows into the Bay; then up to the street and… I’m still a block away from the Canada Line that requires me to go down an escalator….

    Not a good scene.

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    Uh… talk to some folks that are not in your peer group.

  • Chris Keam

    What I do doesn’t matter. I’m not claiming expertise. Funny to me though, that you’re promoting walking on Broadway to get to streetcars and buses, and dissing it downtown.

  • Chris Keam

    You’re shifting the burden of proof on to me Lewis. Prove your position please, don’t ask others to do it for you.