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Garbage, garbage, garbage: Private collectors tussle with Metro Van over control of garbage flow

May 3rd, 2013 · 35 Comments

You are going to be reading SO much about garbage in the next few years.

Why? Because Metro Vancouver, like many other metro regions, is trying to move to new ways of dealing with it: More recycling, reusing. Fewer landfills. Possibly more incinerators or other strategies for disposing of the last bits that can’t be recycled or re-used.

That means a lot of people who are making money from garbage disposal now or think they see ways to make money in the future are going to be scrapping (pun fully intended) with each other and with municipalities over who gets control of garbage. There’s dollars in that waste and everyone wants them.

One chapter of this battle for control unrolled yesterday out at the Metro Vancouver tower, where private operators came out to express concerns over the region’s proposal for a new “waste-flow management” system.

Vancouver opens discussion on waste management

The complex world of garbage management here is facing a major transformation as Metro Vancouver pushes both to control the flow out of the region and put more restrictions on private companies doing pick-up and recycling.

The district’s effort to reform what’s called “waste-flow management” brought almost a score of speakers to Metro’s Burnaby board room on Thursday as many private operators argued that Metro will stifle innovation and kill jobs.

“Metro thinks it needs to build a fence around the region. [Its staff] says there is no place for the private sector in [commercial] and multifamily waste disposal,” said Mr. McRae, whose new Northwest Waste Solutions “eco-park” was due to open in two months. “Why would [they] possibly want to eliminate the private sector?”

Mr. McRae’s case was supported by high-profile lobbyists like former attorney-general Geoff Plant and Mark Jiles.

Others from companies or groups like Progressive Waste Solutions, Waste Management B.C., Maple Leaf Disposal, HSR Services and more also came out to protest against what they fear is a deliberate effort by Metro Vancouver to push them out.

They suspect Metro Vancouver is trying to ensure it has enough garbage to feed a future half-billion-dollar incinerator it is contemplating.

Although Metro is two years away from deciding whether to build a new incinerator and what size it might be, many speakers said all of the smaller decisions the district is making now seem to be sending it inexorably down a path towards a large incinerator.

“If the whole exercise isn’t about keeping more money and waste for Metro Vancouver, why not work with the Fraser Valley regional district? I remain concerned Metro Vancouver is determined to put taxpayer dollars at risk [by building an incinerator],” independent MLA John van Dongen said. Mr. van Dongen represents Abbotsford South, which includes a waste facility that is believed to be getting about 5 per cent of Metro’s garbage from private haulers.

Metro Vancouver is running a public consultation process to the end of May, asking companies and the general public about new mechanisms to monitor and control garbage flow. Statistics indicate that about 100,000 tonnes of garbage a year in the region disappear, unaccounted for in either landfills or recycling facilities.

Private operators, unhappy with the consultation process, asked to speak to Metro Vancouver representatives directly on Thursday.

The consultations spell out that the district wants to make it mandatory for all private garbage-collection companies to deliver to regional transfer stations and landfills.

That would prevent companies from delivering to the facility in Abbotsford or shipping waste to Alberta or the United States. It would also allow the district to enforce “source separation” – sorting recyclables like bottles, plastics, and paper before they get dumped, not after.

But it might also prevent companies like Northwest from doing what they do now: pulling recyclables out of the mixed garbage from apartments and commercial or institutional operations.

The Metro Vancouver efforts have a lot of people who are interested in garbage and recycling conflicted, especially when it comes to garbage from the region’s thousands of apartments.

Recycling enthusiasts believe that forcing people to sort their garbage is the best system, rather than allowing them to dump it into one bin and having companies sort it later, which produces what is called “dirty recyclables,” the kind that China, for instance, will no longer accept.

But the reality is that it is difficult for short-on-space apartment dwellers to maintain several bins for recycling. So, if private companies cannot extract recyclable material, all of it could end up in an incinerator.

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  • F.H.Leghorn

    Where there’s muck, there’s brass.

  • Roger Kemble

    GIGO

  • Guest

    Related article:

    Backlog at Metro Vancouver recyclers follows China’s new green waste policy

    Stricter scrutiny of imported foreign recyclables to blame

    By Kelly Sinoski, Vancouver Sun
    April 30, 2013

    Metro Vancouver recycling firms are seeing a backlog of recyclable materials, particularly plastics, after China decided it would no longer accept other nations’ dirty plastics or potentially contaminated recovered materials.

    China’s so-called 10-month Green Fence policy, which came into effect in February, has resulted in stricter scrutiny of foreign containers carrying everything from paper to metals and plastics when they arrive at the Chinese docks.

    If a load is considered to be at all potentially contaminated — containing food or glass or mixed materials, for instance — the entire load is rejected on the spot and sent back, at what some say costs an estimated $10,000 to $18,000 per container.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/metro/Backlog+Metro+Vancouver+recyclers+follows+China+green+waste/8318529/story.html

  • Terry M

    The only garbage still yet to be picked up is sitting inside City Hall. I know a private company who would do it for free… Awwww 🙁

  • Dan Cooper

    A complex issue. The one thing I know for sure, because I see it all the time at my strata, is that the problem of “dirty recyclables” is never going away. People are (rant alert!) either simply too stupid or too lazy to read the *#$% instructions on the bins. For example, if an item has the tiniest scrap of plastic or metal anywhere on it, they will toss it in with everything else even though the instructions say only certain items are accepted, and very few people wash anything at all so even much of what would otherwise be acceptable is covered in rotting muck. I suspect much of it ends up being sorted out and thrown away, the more so now that the PRC is rejecting unwashed plastic, and that some kind of later sorting of what people have put into the bins will always be necessary.

  • F.H.Leghorn

    Or you could not make it in the first place. You people like to ban stuff. Ban containers which don’t come with a deposit. Paper, plastic, glass, metal, whatever, just pay a deposit on all of it and market forces will take over.
    Where I live an empty wine bottle lasts about 5 minutes if you put it out in the lane. Why? Because somebody can claim the deposit. All containers should occupy the same level playing field. That eliminates the disposal problem and provides a decent income to motivated collectors. If only they took styrofoam.

  • Brian

    I strongly hope that Metro doesn’t cave to business interests here. I don’t know the details of the planned waste flow management reform, but it sounds like the issue here is that refining the system may have a negative impact on some private operators. Let’s be clear: our waste disposal/recycling system does not exist to support private businesses. It exists to dispose of waste materials in an effective, environmentally friendly way. It should be designed to do just that.

  • Andrew Browne

    In every living situation I’ve had, private haulers have ALWAYS been less capable than the various public systems. Our building is Waste Management now and the recycling is a joke – only containers. So most plastic goes in the garbage. If you put non-container plastic in the plastic bin, they reject the whole load and fine you. Plastic bags? Garbage. It’s ridiculous. Contrast that with the class-leading systems of Port Coquitlam, which has had automated pickup bins for green waste/food scraps, recycling, and garbage for years and years now.

  • Joe Just Joe

    I remember Bjarke Ingels stating that CO2 was just a resource that we haven’t figured out how to use yet. One wouldn’t expect a LEED friendly architect from Denmark of all places to say CO2 could be a good thing, but perhaps he’s right. Who would’ve guessed a generation ago that we’d have people fighting over garbage and offering to pay money for it.

  • Glissando Remmy

    JJJ #9
    You didn’t need to “quote” Bjarke. He’s one hipster that’s part of the CO2 problem.
    Another poster boy for a different type of consumerism. LEED consumerism. Period.
    Crooks like Al Gore and the other “renowned” local Sellebrities, are cashing in on invented statements, on pathetic rhetoric, or simply on plain lies.
    CO2 is here to stay. Planet’s growth is dependent on it. Ask a ficus! 🙂
    Who wouldn’t want to “save the planet”… if it were possible, eh?
    “Me, me, me…” shouted at unison all the small, medium, and large Recycling Companies…

  • gman

    But Glissy look at all the things that the magical co2 is causing. This has got to be worth some kind of grant..lol.
    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

  • brilliant

    @Brian 7-Yes the public sector is always better at coming up with more efficient solutions that the private sector. LOL

  • Mira

    garbage, garbage, garbage… recycling, recycling, recycling,… suddenly big business? Not exactly. That was (and afraid still is) the sole property of organized crime (at least this is how it’s been established in the majority of North American cities, long before they branched into drugs. For the time being the “city” is dealing with it, but wouldn’t mind to turn it over to some new “entrepreneurs, yeah right, so funny I’m all in tears.
    Glissy put it simply in @10
    “Crooks like Al Gore and the other “renowned” local Sellebrities, are cashing in on invented statements, on pathetic rhetoric, or simply on plain lies.
    CO2 is here to stay. Planet’s growth is dependent on it. Ask a ficus!”
    This time the 🙂 is mine!

  • Chris Keam

    “Planet’s growth is dependent on it.”

    Is the planet larger than previously due to CO2? I hadn’t realized the globe was growing. Do I need to update my understanding of geography with new facts on circumference, diameter, surface area? Would love a short primer on the process GR. Do elaborate. Awesome. cheers, CK

  • F.H.Leghorn

    CKOT. As usual.

  • Chris Keam

    OT to question the bizarre claims of a poster? More OT than commenting on the comment?

  • Terry M

    Typical.
    CK & FGLeghorn…
    Gents, GR is referring to the Planet’s “plant life” growth, obvious to a 5th Grader, but not to you two.
    Big surprise there, he, he…

  • Silly Season

    @ F.H. Leghorn #6

    These guys in Coquitlam do styrofoam recycling. Don’t know that they serve the general public, but they are serving some munis, I think.

    http://foamonly.ca/about-us/

  • Chris Keam

    @Terry. I think GR is a fine writer and chooses his words carefully. Deserves to be giggled at when he/she blows it. But you keep genuflecting. Personally, I think Abbie Hoffman nailed with his comment about sacred cows.

  • Chris Keam

    haha and then I make a fool of myself.

    ‘nailed it’ rather

  • Bill

    “and then I make a fool of myself”

    Dog bites man. Yawn.

  • Brian

    @brilliant #12

    that’s not what I said nor what I believe. However, the opposite isn’t true either.

    What I was saying is that creating a system explicitly designed to provide profit opportunities to private companies is not the free-market and not an efficient use of resources. It is the marriage of public-sector waste and private-sector opportunism that creates the biggest waste of funds of all: pork.

  • teririch

    @Brian #7 and Andrew Brown #8:

    The building I have uses a private garbage collector yet the city still picks up the recycables and according to the lid – they don’t need to be washed out anymore.

    As for your assertion that public is better than private – I rememeber the strike and the garbage sitting out in the hot weather, rotting. I also remember the houses in the alley behind my building asking if they could use our ‘private’ dumpsters.

  • teririch

    FYI – in Surrey – there is one bin for organic waste and one bin for recylcing – which takes everything from paper to glass to metal.

    Why Surrey residents dont’ have to sort….????

  • Lewis N. Villegas

    We took a group of 35 people on a Jane’s Walk of Mount Pleasant yesterday.

    http://wp.me/p2FnNe-5C

    Hard not to think that raising the level of our appreciation for the built environment as a whole would get us to make better decisions about each of the parts.

  • Brian

    @teririch #23

    Again, I have not asserted that public is categorically better than private. I have been failed by private sector organizations as well as public sector organizations in my life. What I am saying is that designing a system with the expressed purpose of propping up private haulers, which seems to be proposed here, is worse than the best public-sector system, and worse than the best private sector system. That makes it a bad idea.

  • Andrew Browne

    @ T #23
    “The building I have uses a private garbage collector yet the city still picks up the recycables”

    If that is the case perhaps my beef is with the City of Vancouver? All I know is our recycling system is terrible compared to other smaller, less sophisticated cities. Does Vancouver contract to WM? We end up getting WM commingled load fine stickers on our recycling bins when someone dares to put a plastic bag in them (the horror).

    Also a very worthwhile look at cities like Coquitlam, who have contracted out and have experienced really awful service. Like really, REALLY awful.

  • rph

    The City of Richmond has contracted out the recycling, and the curbside service here is good. They will slap a no-pickup sticker on oversize cardboard, or blue bins full of a mess, but I have seen the rubbish some people stuff in their boxes, and many people just have no concept, or inclination, to properly separate recycling. Let alone keep anything reasonably clean.

  • Lee L.

    Landfills (well executed seem like a pretty good idea to me.

  • Lee L.

    Oops… I was gonna say..

    What are mines? They are places where the stuff you need is in high enough concentration, that it is worthwhile digging it out and then possible and worthwhile to move it to a concentrator.
    Landfills look an awful lot like mines to me.

    Ok, maybe a little presorting wouldn’t be a bad idea, but we are well past the stage where we have technology that can sense what kind of plastic your butter tub is, or even easier what its Universal Product Code says it is without anyone needing to actually touch the slippery hydrocarbon ore.
    And if not, nothing wrong with storing it in a hole for a few decades until extraction is worthwhile.

  • Bill

    @andrew browne #27

    If you are not getting the service you are paying for then the contract was poorly drafted and/or poorly supervised. A well written contract will specify service standards with financial penalties for not meeting them but also requires a competent monitoring by the city to ensure compliance.

  • teririch

    @Lee L # 29 & 30:

    The area along Lougheed Hwy around where the Ikea stands in Burnaby/Port Coquitlam was once a land fill. A garbage site.

    Now it is rows of big box stores etc.

  • teririch

    @Andrew Brown #27:

    We have WM picking up our garbage and have always had really good service from them. (Condo units)

    The city collects our recylcables and from time to time and due to people putting the wrong items in the wrong bins, they have left the bin, slapped a sticker on it and turned it in to face the wall.

    That has only happened a few times – most people in our building are pretty good about sorting their stuff.

    My boyfriend lives in Surrey and they do not have to separate their recycables – everything goes into one bin and then there is a separate bin for organics of which you can put in paper bags but not plastic bags of any sort.

    I wonder why there is a difference here? I would think at the end of the day they all end up at one clearing house of sorts.

  • Brian

    @teririch #33

    As I understand it, the difference is that it (much like sewage) the cities manage the collection before handing it over to Metro. This means they have their own collection schemes and therefore set their own rules.

  • Louis

    These comments are laughable. It looks like a team of union lobbyists swarm to these comment blogs to try and justify their jobs. People are just not that stupid. Countless studies and economic forums have shown that the Private Sector outperforms the Public Sector by about 38% especially in lower skill areas. We are talking Garbage Collection here people. How much more low skill can you get? We need to get a grip or else we will soon be in the same situation as Greece. Economics 100 tells us you cannot thwart a natural market. The paradox of comparative advantage tells us that attacking the problem of recycling by curbing habits of the consumer is inefficient. We should privatize all of the garbage collection and sorting and quit trying to get the consumer to do all the dirty work. Layout are preferred goals and have private companies bid for it. That would save the tax payer money, (or should I say Vancouver money because I doubt they would pass it on to us), and would guarantee we would meet our goals without labour disputes or interruptions. Simple.