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Bulk of bike-crash sites on Burrard in past years

January 18th, 2011 · 55 Comments

I’m not surprised Burrard has crashes, as this interesting story from Mike Howell in the Courier details.

I rode the suicide lane on that street once back in the old days (buses on one side, a steady stream of cars and trucks on the other) and decided that I wanted to live until at least my next birthday and so wouldn’t ride it again.

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  • Chris Keam

    Jason:

    You claimed that the city’s road and transit improvements were exclusively bike-related. You claimed that it’s an either/or situation with regard to funding. Don’t run away from your claims. Back them up. Everything else is obfuscation and transparent attempts to change the topic so you needn’t defend unsupportable contentions.

  • Chris Keam

    “your claims of “exhaustive” planning for the hornby street lanes that you spewed for months leading up to their construction.”

    Please provide examples of my claims of such or admit it’s little more than a mis-characterization of my comments on the topic.

    “you’ve claimed previously that you were not happy in the slightest about the Burrard St. bridge”

    That’s inaccurate. Please back up this statement or withdraw it.

    “Last time I checked the polls, the vast majority of Vancouver citizens were not happy with the implementation of the lanes or how the city has handled the entire issue”

    Please provide a link to the polls you are referring to and quantify ‘vast majority’ as a percentage of respondents.

    The difference between you and me Jason is that I’m quite willing to debate what I’ve said and what you’ve said. You appear to want little more than to mis-represent other people’s comments and make unsupportable assertions. It drags down the tenor of the debate overall and makes it hard to examine the ideas of others productively. You embarrass yourself and then lash out at the people who call you on it. It doesn’t make for a useful exchange of ideas.

  • Jason

    Chris, I know you feel you raise the level of debate…I know you feel you’re right…I know you feel you that god is cycling up in heaven and has a place for you….but your perception of yourself and the reality couldn’t be farther from the truth.

    Comments like: “There’s only four hundred km of bike routes total in Vancouver. You seem to mainly be in opposition to the half dozen kilometers of bike path that go where there’s lots of people” Speak to the idiocy of your position. You counter my comment of there being hundred’s of kilometers of bike lanes in Vancouver that I support with a comment that both validates what I said, and belittles the 400kms built…like somehow because the vast majority of these 400kms don’t go right through the heart of the city they are somehow “less than” the separated lanes downtown. They aren’t, and those of us that cycle for recreation quite enjoy those lanes and quite enjoy the “serenity” of not being in downtown Vancouver.

    But further to that, you don’t even have the fortitude to admit when you’re wrong, or at the very least stand behind your statements. You know damn well you stated on this board throughout the entire hornby lane debate that there had been exhaustive planning and consultation and that us “nay sayers” were “anti cycle”….yet you don’t even have the balls to stand behind your statements and now request I go back through endless lines of your crappy posts (most of which I didn’t enjoy the first time I had to read them) to show examples. Forget it. You and I both know the truth, and like normal, you won’t stand behind your statements. Given how adamant you were during the entire debate, it’s truly sad to see you now claim you said none of it….really rather pathetic.

    “you’ve claimed previously that you were not happy in the slightest about the Burrard St. bridge”

    “That’s inaccurate. Please back up this statement or withdraw it.”

    Not only will I not withdraw it, but it’s damn true. I stated previously that you were more than willing to sell out pedestrians with the Burrard St. bridge bike lane….you countered by saying how you’d stated on your own blog and elsewhere that you were in complete opposition to reducing the pedestrians to one side of the bridge….well the bike lane went in, and the pedestrians lost use of one side of the bridge…so either you’re in favor of pedestrians losing one side of the bridge…which would make you “unhappy” with the burrard st. bridge implementation or you lied and don’t give a good god damn about what took place…which is it Chris?

    As far as my lack of polls, here is but one that shows the majority against the hornby st. lane, and I will endeavor to find the poll showing general unhappiness with the way the separated lanes have been handled by this government…

    http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/43496/two-years-later-vancouverites-divided-on-mayor-robertson/

    “The difference between you and me Jason is that I’m quite willing to debate what I’ve said and what you’ve said. ”

    Actually Chris, there are numerous differences between you and I Chris….all of which I am thankful for. But the reality is that you’re not willing to stand behind what you say…nor are you willing to admit when you’re wrong. In fact, you won’t even ADMIT what you’ve said, little lone stand behind it.

    My level of debate with just about everyone else on these boards is civil and open minded…but somehow the ridiculousness of your comments, coupled by the fact that you do nothing but a disservice to your own cause by making the separated bike lanes a litmus taste for ones position on biking in general, turns my stomach.

    So Chris…..I guess what I’m trying to say is, I won’t be hiring you. While we’ve held onto your resume at my office for sometime now (you really don’t want to ask me to prove this one Chris), as your cover letter was not bad, I’m afraid my experience with you on these boards has resulted in me feeling like you’re just not right for my company.

    But I suppose if I do have a project cross my desk from the Board of Trade, CFIB or DBIA in opposition to more separated bike lanes in downtown Vancouver, I will consider hiring you as copywriter for the project.

    Good night Chris….I’m done with you.

  • Chris Keam

    Jason:

    I’m totally willing to stand behind what I say. I’m just not willing to defend your erroneous interpretations of my comments based on a hazy memory of months-old comment threads.

    As for whether you would hire or me or not, it has not place in the debate and I would urge you to stick to the issue rather than engaging in personal attacks and you will find that I’m more than willing to do the same.

  • brian

    When I ride to the Burrard Bridge, from Hornby St., I turn at Drake St. instead of Helmcken St. It’s much safer. The Burrard St. bike lane between Drake St. and W. Hastings St. was so scary when I rode it. You can’t hug the curb to stay as far from traffic as possible. You have to judge the distance between vehicles on both sides. I’m not sure if moving the bike lane right and raising the asphalt near bus stops is worth it since Hornby St. is one block away. Removing the bike lane might cause complaints.

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