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Vision wins council, loses school and parks as voters back them one more time, with some reservations

November 16th, 2014 · 41 Comments

Assuming everyone reading this blog has now memorized these election results, so you can cite them down to the last digit for the most obscure party in all political conversations of the next decade.

I’ll have more to say in the next couple of days about what Vision and the opposition can learn from these results.

Below is copy that I filed to the Globe before the polls closed, as background and colour for the day. Even though I had heard from a Vision insider and Barb Justason that polls showed Robertson winning, as the field split 48-41-9, I remained unsure of what would happen in actual voting. The anger from people I talked to in line-ups was so pervasive that I wondered if Vision’s get-out-the-vote operation would be overwhelmed by the “I’ll get out my own vote because I’m so furious” movement on the other side.

And frankly, Vision campaigners were wondering the same. Even though they knew they had 80,000 supporters and could get them to the polls, there was a possibility they could have been overwhelmed by opposition if turnout rose to 50 or 60 per cent.

Surprises for the night:

– Justason’s poll showed Green Party Pete Fry winning, (though Vision’s pollster Bob Penner said earlier that only Carr had a chance). In the end, he and Cleta Brown did about the same and were way down in the polls. Just seems as though name recognition, name recognition was a crucial factor.

– I’d also heard from various factions that Vision councillor Geoff Meggs was “toast.” He did barely squeak in, but there was never a serious challenge to him from the 11th-place finisher, Ian Robertson.

– Even though there was huge support for Patti Bacchus, not enough for her team on school board (lefties splitting votes between Vision, Green, COPE and PEP, possibly?) A big question re who will be chair now. All depends on how Green Party Janet Fraser votes. Greens might want to show they could work collaboratively with Vision. Or they might want to keep the Vision group and Bacchus out of the limelight.

– In spite of all the controversy over the Grandview-Woodlands tower/plan fiasco, fuelled in the last days by emails circulating from Ned Jacobs quoted an anonymous planner about the Vision agenda and a blog comment from former planner Scot Hein, Vision support in Grandview-Woodlands dominated the vote there.

More to come. Interested in your comments. My 6 p.m. reporting below, raw copy as I filed it to the Globe

Internal polling at Vision Vancouver and an online poll done by Justason Market Intelligence in the final days of the election campaign indicated that Mayor Gregor Robertson would retain his seat, although with a smaller majority.

Both polls showed Vision keeping at least five councillors, while one showed the Green Party winning a second seat besides Adriane Carr’s and the Non-Partisan Association retaining its existing two. Results were too mixed to say where the last seat would go.

It appeared almost certain that Vision councillors Geoff Meggs and Tony Tang would lose their seats, while newcomer Niki Sharma did not appear to stand a chance of winning.

But every political observer and campaigner acknowledged that everything depended on each party’s ability to get out the vote.

Vision Vancouver was seen as a formidable machine, with 1,500 volunteers out on election day, armed with laptops at the polling stations so they could track exactly which of their supporters had voted already or needed to be pushed or pulled to make an appearance.

The party is well known for its strength in maintaining a database of supporters and using razor-sharp strategy to ensure they vote.

Adding to their efforts, a small group of young people spent the day by the Burrard Bridge with signs saying No Tankers No Pipeline, echoing the kind of campaign that was successful in the provincial election when NDPer David Eby defeated Premier Christy Clark in her own riding.

The NPA, on the other hand, was reputed to have a weak GOTV team, even though a campaign worker, Val Rogers, said the party had been overwhelmed with volunteers in the last couple of weeks.

(change this wording slightly depending on what happens).

But many angry voters seemed to need very little prodding to motivate them to cast a ballot. (which eventually trumped Vision’s sophisticated machine?)

In fact, they waited in lines  for sometimes up to an hour because they were so determined to vote out Vision Vancouver.

“We need a change,” Chantal Spicer, who waited 20 minutes at the West End community centre in the morning. “There’s no consultation.”

She was upset about closure of Point Grey Road for a bike and walking road, even though it is more than a dozen kilometres from where she lives.

“When people used to visit me, I would take them there. Now I can’t.”

At Kitsilano, Rich Gill waited an hour to vote.

He said he used to support Vision — “I liked the drive of Gregor” — but he said the mayor seemed to get more and more focused on only a few specific issues, instead of working for the city as a whole.

“This city is under a lot of stress. We don’t have professional jobs here, we don’t have industry, so what are we going to do, just be a pretty city and our children will all be de facto service workers?”

For Lorraine Kotelniski, who also waited an hour, “The Point Grey bike lane was number one for me, and the backroom decisions. The developers seem to have so much control in the city.”

“We’re done with what we’ve got,” said Alissa Parranto, as she prepared for an hour-long wait at the Kitsilano community centre with her son, Connor Thoring, by her side.

Even people who appeared to be supportive of Vision Vancouver were spreading some of their support elsewhere.

Chloe Lesmeister and her partner, Steve Wood, said they voted for Mr. Robertson as mayor but picked among Vision, COPE and Green candidates for council.

“It would be nice to see more of a mix on council,” said Ms. Lesmeister, who voted in Strathcona. She lives in a co-op nearby an said the pace of development has been breakneck, while housing prices seem out of reach.

Another young couple who voted at Norquay elementary, in Vancouver’s southeast, said they voted for COPE because the party seemed to be offering actual housing solutions that the others weren’t.

Felicia Jang said she voted for Vision Vancouver three years ago, when she was 21.

“But I’m older and have different concerns now.”

She and her partner, Brad Paul, said they rent in the area and just don’t see how they’ll ever be able to afford to buy anything.

 

Categories: 2014 Vancouver Civic Election

  • spartikus

    I think COPE and to a lesser extent the Greens really need to have a good long hard look in the mirror. While their candidates performed well IMO, their supporters – particularly online – really were scorch and burn. Rather than engage in outreach, if you weren’t already wholeheartedly on-board with the program you were filed under “enemy” and treated as such. I think this alienated people who might have been curious but who might have had reservations about parts of their platforms (and I observed COPE supporters had a special talent for pissing off journalists for no good reason). And both COPE and the Greens took populist stands on certain issues that didn’t jive with what people would think they were about.

    I’m not sure the current militant incarnation of COPE will be able to navel-gaze thus. But the Greens can and should. It’s not enough to say “Nenshi did it with social media” without understanding *how* Nenshi did it with social media.

  • Kirk Williams

    Here’s my take, Frances, from the wee hours…

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/what-now-for-gregor-robertson-and-vision-vancouver-1.2836850

  • Richard Campbell

    COPE would be more effective as an activist organization that pushed a strong evidence based social justice issues at all levels of government.

    They are clearly not a viable political entity nor seem willing or able to create a large enough tent to win elections.

    All they succeed in doing is taking enough vote to make sure a few NPA’s got in. Hard to see any benefit of that.

  • Everyman

    “…there was never a serious challenge to him (Meggs) from the 11th-place finisher, Ian Robertson.”

    What Frances? Meggs squeaked in less than 500 votes ahead of Ian Robertson! Probably thanks to his place farther up the ballot than anything else.

    This has probably put an end to Meggs’ political career. Rejected by the provincial NDP, now marked as the least popular Vision councillor and therefore not potential mayor material. I guess he could try to get a federal NDP nomination somewhere.

  • francesbula

    But, until the big second-to-last poll came in, he was at least 3,000 or 4,000 votes ahead most of the night. Very unlike the battle all night for 10th place in 2011 between Adriane Carr, Bill Yuen, and Ellen Woodsworth, where we kept seeing them change places.

  • macb423

    Do you think there are enough mail in ballots to nudge him out? I was also surprised to note that it suddenly looked close at the end.

  • macb423

    Hello Frances, loved your commentary on CBC. I could listen to you for hours. Come to think of it, I did.
    I wondered what you thought of the mayor’s apology. Did it hurt him? Help him? Was it neutral?
    I too was impressed, alarmed really, by the anger of the anti-Vision people. I’m glad we didn’t elect a mayor and city government based on anger. Weird school board results, eh? I hope the Green trustee is rational.

  • macb423

    Adrienne Carr lost seven elections before slipping onto council three years ago, and it didn’t end her career. No one will care in future that Geoff Meggs barely won.

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    Here’s the way it played for me, Frances:

    1. Hard (impossible) to oust incumbents while real estate is increasing in value by—what?—15% per annum? The same election turns out completely different results with real estate prices crashing in October immediately preceding.

    2. The Devil you Know vs. the Devil you’re gonna get. An email circulated from Jonathan Baker day before voting day suggested that only a straight vote for the NPA slate could defeat Vision. All other strategies would split the vote and hand Vision the win. The outcome shows Baker’s analysis was spot on. Yet, NPA could not convince folks in sufficient numbers to return to their tent.

    3. The Deafening Silence. It was interesting to hear Kirk LaPointe address the issue of the incompleteness of the NPA platform airing the sentiment on election night that you can’t just get together once every three (now four) years and just make something up. The jab on quid-pro-quo on CUPE woke the electorate up and got them listening. However, what they heard when they tuned in was nothing… There was no there there.

    4. Large turn out at elections favour the incumbents (adding to my first point) unless something remarkable is at stake. Neither the NPA nor the Greens scored points on substantial matters.

    5. Councillor Carr (local) Superstar. To underscore my previous point, Adriane Carr topping the polls (and Geoff Meggs polling in last place) is no surprise. I agree with the opinion that she got there by doing what Vision has not done—engaging the neighbourhoods and the people. However, the strategy to make the Greens hold the balance of power will only be in effect at the School Board. And the hope to elect more than one member to Council was also dashed. Here, the same horrible flavour of this election—nothing of substance is being discussed, please vote the slate—rears its ugly head yet again. Will the Green Party shift from a listening posture to proposing something of substance?

    Should it be skytrain, subway or tram on Broadway? Vision is building social housing in towers: Is that the right building form for the purpose? How do we do neighbourhood planning right? What is the best methodology to apply to have open and transparent neighbourhood consultations? Should every neighbourhood have a ‘people place’—a walkable destination wired to transit, shopping & services—defining its core? Are towers OK outside the downtown? How many more km of bike lanes do we need? Are bikes more effective that a transit network at getting people out of their cars? Can local governments intervene, and how, to curb the run-away price of housing? Is a community of home owners stronger and more engaged than a community of condo renters?

    This election gave us nothing on these matters (and more) facing our community.

  • Dan Cooper

    Errr…..Once the polls close, the votes are the votes are the votes, whether they have been COUNTED yet or not. (Reminds me of my Olde Home State back in that other country south of here: In every statewide race, the Republicans would jump out to a huge “lead” as the rural counties, each with as few as a thousand voters, reported their results within 20 or 30 minutes. Then, as the results from the massive metro area started to come in hours or sometimes even days later, it would swing back. This doesn’t mean there was some kind of horse race going on during the counting; the race was over already!)

  • Dan Cooper

    “A big question re who will be chair now. All depends on how Green Party
    Janet Fraser votes. Greens might want to show they could work
    collaboratively with Vision. Or they might want to keep the Vision group
    and Bacchus out of the limelight.”

    Or they might just do whatever is best for the kids, whichever that makes them go, regardless of the political calculation. Or is that crazy talk? *sigh*

  • deAuxerre

    Carr? Superstar? No wonder the election gave you nothing. She rec’d excess votes primarily because over the 3-year term, it was convenient for the media to use her as filler material for various issues (for which she had peripheral influence), via the unique ‘green’ banner. It’s common for Councils to have a lone, annoying menace, who cannot cooperate with the rest of Council.

    She has no coattails upon to ride; the other 2 green candidates finished distant. You get no extra points or seats from topping polls, at the expense of teammates. Effective politics would distribute those votes.

    Most telling is that with the numerous enviro issues in the City and region, and with an election of a green in last year’s provincial election, the inability of the greens to make any advance (other than giving Carr an easy, $68k/annum job for the next four years), clearly shows it is not much more than a sideshow. A token place to park a guilt-vote in a single-issue parking stall.

  • Warren12

    Susan Anton, Cabinet Minister.

  • spartikus

    The Jeff Lee/Vancouver Sun has published the results of an exit poll about what actually motivated voters. Hint: It wasn’t the CUPE slander, it wasn’t the Mayor’s apology, it wasn’t LaPointe’s home in UBC.

    It wasn’t any of the nonsense.

    Will the usual suspects – particularly some of the denizens here – respect actual tangible evidence and take this lesson to heart?

    I doubt it, but one lives in hope.

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    My impression is based on discussing neighbourhood issues with Councillor Carr and two others from Vision currently on Council. Then, comparing that with contact with politicians in other jurisdictions.

    I agree that the Greens need to come up with something substantial. However, the are hardly alone there. ‘Coat tails’ or running a slate and showing prowess by how many get elected behind you is probably the No.1 thing that I don’t like about the political system in our city today.

    Elections are supposed to be about ideas, not brands. But here we are again going into another governance cycle based solely on brand recognition local politics.

  • IanS

    Not sure if I post enough any more to be considered a “usual suspect”, but I have no dispute with the proposition that Vision won the election because the majority of the voting electorate preferred its stated policies to those of the NPA. I don’t need an exit poll to tell me that.

    I think there’s a natural tendency on the part of those who are disappointed in an election outcome to place too much weight on tactical issues such as those you identify. At the end of the day, whether it be municipal, provincial or federal, people vote for the party or person who’s expressed policies most align with their own.

    And, as I said in an earlier thread, congrats to Vision and their supporters here on the victory.

  • spartikus

    You are not one of the “usual suspects”, Ian 🙂

  • macb423

    Yeah I thought of that too but had the good taste not to bring it up and spoil anyone’s breakfast. 🙂

  • deAuxerre

    True. Branding is powerful at the retail-electoral level for a busy, consumer society. And for some candidates, their own name-brand is more resonant than the party badge.

  • Paul

    Thanks for all the great coverage Frances – great job!

    One thing I noticed about the exit poll (http://www.insightswest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/ExitPoll_Vancouver_Tables.pdf) & forgive me if I’m reading this wrong, but looks like 56% of those who voted for Robertson said that “the fact that Kirk LaPointe does not currently live or work in Vancouver” had a significant (28%) or moderate (28%) impact on their voting decision. It makes you wonder if it would have been closer had Kirk LaPointe had lived within the city boundaries proper. Know that the issue wasn’t seen as significant by many in the media, but this shows it was on some voters minds.

    Also makes me wonder if eventually the requirements to run for mayor will change in BC so that you do actually have to live within the boundaries of Vancouver, as in other cities like Toronto & Montreal. Might help with voter participation.

  • francesbula

    I hate to throw cold water on this parade, as I’d like to think that voters are motivated by the issues. But numerous studies have shown that what people self-report they like/want/are influenced by is somewhat different, it turns out, from what they actually like/want/are influenced by.

    If you ask people what kind of news they read, they will invariably tell you international news or local politics or issues. When a machine tracks what they actually read, it turns out it’s somewhat lighter than that. We like to portray ourselves in a good light.

    That’s not to say people don’t care about issues. But they may be influenced more than they think by peripherals.

  • francesbula

    Re the apology. I have no way of judging independently whether it helped or not, but Vision strategists and pollsters certainly think it did. So do some others.

    Re the Green trustee, I don’t know much beyond that she has been an intelligent, interested commentator on my Twitter feed in the past, has a PhD, and three kids who’ve gone through public school.

  • francesbula

    P.S. Glad you loved listening to me for hours! I will come over to your house every time my friends and family get tired of me.

  • spartikus

    I’d like to think that voters are motivated by the issues

    I’m not suggesting they aren’t. On the contrary, I’m pointing out the Sun’s poll suggesting which issues motivated them. I could be wrong but don’t think the other issues are sufficiently embarrassing for social desirability bias to come in to play.

  • macb423

    Works for me Frances! Comox and Jervis. My husband is a professional Thai cook, and is actually Thai!

  • IanS

    Frances, I don’t mean to suggest that people generally vote on any in depth understanding of the issues and the parties’ respective positions.

    In my view, people are influenced to vote by a general impression of each parties’ position, such as, “oh, that party is for protecting the environment, they don’t like oil tankers” or “that party is conservative, they want to balance the budget”, stuff like that.

    Perhaps one way to say it is that people vote based on the party’s general brand.

  • boohoo

    I agree it’s much more general mostly because the parties, and I mean all of them, give so little concrete details or specific policy positions to understand their actual philosophy or position. Unfortunately, and we’ll see if the greens can stop this, it’s turning into a US style two party system where you’re either left or right and there is no acceptable middle. It’s a pretty natural consequence of the party system that I think needs to be rethought.

  • IanS

    I’m not sure I agree with your characterization of municipal election as a left / right dichotomy. Sure, Cope was far off to the left, but, IMO, both Vision and the NPA are pretty much in the centre.

  • boohoo

    Sure, but what I mean is it’s boiling down to two options. And you are either with one or the other. There’s no in between.

  • IanS

    Ah, now I understand your point. And I agree.

    Personally, I voted for candidates aligned with three parties, none of them Vision.

    I wonder if many people voted for a mix which included Vision and NPA candidates. Not many, I suspect.

  • boohoo

    I voted for a mix, but no NPA.

  • Kirk

    Thanks Frances. Hope you and your colleagues get some well deserved rest.

    I had a really hard time picking candidates this year. On policy, I fall pretty smack dab into Vision. But, all the non-policy arrogance crap that went on over the last term really had me searching for “anyone but”.

    But, I heard the mayor today on Simi Sara’s show, and I’m feeling okay again. For me, the election results were pretty much perfect. Vision got a very, very much needed reality check slap in the face that they disillusioned a lot of their electorate. Robertson said he’s realized that now and has promised to do better, including changes to the neighbourhood development process. And, that’s what I wanted to hear.

    Glad that voter turnout was better. My guess is that it’d be even higher if the line-ups weren’t so long and the ballots didnt run out. Lots of people look at a long line and just leave. It’s imperative that they fix that.

  • Kirk

    I wanted to vote a mix, including independants. If I ranked my preferences on character and integrity, regardless of party, it would be a mix. But, realistically, once they’re in, they become brainless stooges that vote party lines. And, most independants dont have a chance. So, I held my nose and voted strategically. I’m guilty, boohoo, of pushing us toward a two party system, but can you fault me when candidates vote on party lines?

  • macb423

    A possible irony though is that by voting this way you may have helped elect some NPA. For example, voters who voted for only the four top vision candidates for School Board and threw votes to COPE or others, may have helped edge out Ken Clement and Cheri Payne. Same with the Park Board.

  • boohoo

    I’m fine with that. I know these clowns will vote party lines like stooges as Kirk said, but I’m still voting my conscious.

  • IanS

    Yes, but that’s an irony going both ways, as I may have helped some Vision candidates get elected by voting for a mix, rather than just for NPA candidates.

    That’s the drawback in voting for a mix of candidates. If enough other people focus their votes on a slate, that slate will likely garner a majority.

  • Bill_McCreery

    And that’s precisely what Janet said today in the Sun.

  • Bill_McCreery

    So how should we decide when the status quo is secretive, dictatorial, manipulative, etc, etc.?

  • macb423

    As a Vision supporter, I want only NPA supporters to vote mixed! 🙂

  • IanS

    Fair enough. 🙂

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    Yes, that may be an important stat. However, if a Canadian citizen living on Mars came into our city and agitated for a handful of clear cut options for problems that are ailing us now… The question is this: what would weigh higher on voters mind: the zip code of the candidate, or the message?

    NPA really didn’t say much. More car lanes & CUPE quid-pro-quo are hardly substance in today’s debate. Eye catchers, sure! But what is the candidate going to double down with? In this election the message I got was this: N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

    OK, then we have to turn to the incumbents and measure what their strengths are: rising property values + ‘we are the incumbents’.

    In the rear view mirror it is a no-brainer. Vision wins after they take a few casualties.