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The NPA transportation plan: counterflow lanes on major arterials, more buses, an “affordable” subway

October 24th, 2014 · 21 Comments

I’m a few days late with this, I know. Getting kind of hectic out there.

Anyway, the NPA’s Kirk LaPointe presented the party’s plan on transportation, which was mainly more buses, an “affordable” subway built within five years (or at least aim for that), and something a lot of reporters were intrigued by — counterflow lanes on major commuter routes in Vancouver. My Globe story on it is here.

It was a bit of an odd one. You wouldn’t think it would have appeal for a lot of Vancouver residents, since the counterflow lanes would likely be most appreciated by commuters coming from the east (Burnaby/Coquitlam/North Van), north (West and North Van) and south (Richmond, Surrey, Delta).

Anyway, at least it was a new idea, so we all jumped on it.

After deadline, I got a callback from a couple of people I respect on transportation issues who gave me their assessment of the idea.

One was Dave Rudberg, the city’s former head of engineering under mayor Philip Owen and city manager Judy Rogers. He’s the calmest guy I know and a very straight shooter.

Dave said the city has looked from time to time at counterflow lanes and concluded that they’re not that practical.

In his words: “You’d have to search far and wide to find applications that would work. I wouldn’t dismiss the idea but the application is fairly limited.”

Counterflow lanes really only work in places where you have a bottleneck and where all traffic flow surges in one direction. So the Lions’ Gate Bridge and the Massey tunnel, which have them now, are ideal. Dave said that a lot of the major streets in Vancouver have heavy two-way traffic at rush hour. So putting in a counterflow lane for traffic flowing in one direction would just back up the people going the other direction.

As well, engineers have found that there’s reasonable good flow on the major streets. (I know those of you stuck on Cambie Street going north or south between the bridge and 25th, for example, might not feel that way, but it’s all relative.) The major clogs are around the bridgeheads. So there could be some kind of system for pooling cars that are waiting to get on. But that’s not a counterflow lane.

Another issue, Dave pointed out, is that it takes a fair amount of expensive infrastructure (overhead lights, removal of left-hand turn bays, concrete dividers) or labour (people moving cones around) to create counterflow lanes. On the city’s already complicated streets, “the logistics would be fairly difficult.”

UBC professor Robert Lindsay, an economist who specializes in transportation modelling, said that unless a street has multiple lanes on each side, a counterflow lane would take away too much capacity. He also said the need for suburban-commuter lanes in Vancouver diminishes a little more every year. Commuting trips account for a smaller and smaller percentage of the city’s overall trips.

So that’s the word from the experts.

 

 

 

Categories: 2014 Vancouver Civic Election

  • Warren12

    Another questionable backwards move by the NPA. They just don’t seem to understand the voters of Vancouver, IMO.

  • neil21

    Such a shame. This town needs a credible opposition.

  • Kirk

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1632867/watch-developers-pitch-in-for-skytrain-improvements/

    When I hear Gregor Robertson say “subway”, I think I see Bob Rennie’s lips moving. 😉

  • spartikus

    I’m pretty sure the ridership numbers on Broadway empirically exist outside the machinations of Bob Rennie.

  • spartikus

    A campaign in disarray, for the second election in a row. For all the ferocious in-fighting between factions over the last few years, COPE has offered a more coherent and consistent platform.

  • Internet made me obsolete

    That’s exactly what Chudnovsky used to say.

  • Voice of Reason

    Perhaps counterflow is not the answer to our traffic problems but LaPointe at least defines the problem correctly – how do we get people moving rather than how do we get people out of their cars and on to bicycles.

  • Voice of Reason

    To be completely and utterly wrong in a coherent and consistent fashion does not strike me as a praiseworthy quality.

  • spartikus

    Even before there were bike lanes the statistics showed motor vehicle trips downtown were declining. They are now at 1968 levels. Yet the volume of people going downtown has increased. Lapointe’s plan addresses a problem that doesn’t exist.

  • spartikus

    In your opinion, of course. And at least it can be understood on it’s own terms, which is more than can be said for the NPA’s ever-shifting reasoning.

  • Tiktaalik

    Well moving people with cars is inefficient and doesn’t scale at all, so encouraging people to bicycle is part of the solution. This protest shows pretty clearly how adding more space for cars is wasteful. http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/17/bikes-cars-cyclists-clever-protest-riga-latvia

  • Voice of Reason

    Nope, there is absolutely no traffic problem in Vancouver.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/Vancouver+edges+Angeles+worst+traffic+congestion+North+America+index/9132912/story.html

  • Voice of Reason

    Yes, bicycles are definitely scaleable if we encourage tandems and implement HOB lanes.

  • spartikus

    That’s right, there’s nothing wrong with traffic into the downtown core:

    http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/10/17/the-problems-with-measuring-traffic-congestion/

  • Voice of Reason

    News Flash – Vancouver actually extends beyond the downtown core. If you don’t think there is significant congestion on these routes then you have never actually driven them on a regular basis.

  • peakie

    They call you out of the blue? Robert Lindsay and Dave Rudberg read your blog all the time?

    Or does this mean

    After deadline, I got a callback from a couple of people I respect on transportation issues who gave me their assessment of the idea.

    that you called them?

    Maybe they couldn’t get through the barriers imposed by Disqus?

    Peep!

  • spartikus

    Callback: “A telephone call made to return a call received.”

  • neil21

    As usual Gord Price asks some great, pointed questions http://pricetags.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/npa-platform-questions-for-kirk-2-on-counterflow-lanes/ No increase in car capacity as a policy has been really fundamental to the last 20 years of Vancouver’s success. Reversing that needs a lot more consideration than a flippant campaign line.

  • Matt Foulger

    Do you know what scalable means?

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    …the logistics would be fairly difficult.

    Dave Rudberg reminds me of a mayor from another city that always used to say that he didn’t want to know why he COULD NOT do something; he wanted his staff and consultants to tell him how it could be done.

    The important part about the ‘counter flow lanes’ for me is that it shines a light on the greenwash that we have been living under with the current regime that made ‘bike lanes’ the ONLY answer to updating transportation in the 21st century.

    I’m not sure those bike lines are contributing more than a fraction of 1% of the trip total… Great optics—not much substance.

    That said, it is hard to imagine how massaging the private vehicular load is going to solve anything. The numbers we need to achieve to get livability on the arterials, for example, are known quantities in the industry… but maybe not in this election campaign.

    I see the signs, I see the advertising on the internet, but I don’t see the money or the megaphone being used to canvass the experts and come forward with some concrete and measurable solutions.

    It seems to me that the art of leadership is about taking chances and articulating a road map for the way forward.

    The proposal for counter flow lanes is a stab in the right direction. But it’s forked cholesterol-rich meat when what we are really craving for is a lean and balanced diet of sustainable urbanism.

    Given this tentative start November 15th may just be too close to get to the real issues.

  • Lewis_N_Villegas

    Perhaps counterflow is not the answer to our traffic problems but LaPointe at least defines the problem correctly – how do we get people moving rather than how do we get people out of their cars and on to bicycles.

    VOR

    The kind of leadership our city is looking for can go deeper than just (3) lines into an issue, and can provide some concrete and measurable solutions. I mentioned the bike lines. But how are ‘counter flow lanes’ anything but more greenwash? The total number of cars is still the same (and growing).

    Where does your candidate stand on walkable neighbourhoods, and new transit options that are not Skytrain or subway on Broadway?